X-Git-Url: http://git.nikiroo.be/?a=blobdiff_plain;f=test%2Fexpected%2FSLASHDOT%2F0102636958;fp=test%2Fexpected%2FSLASHDOT%2F0102636958;h=f4aa3c8685bf4cda23238cde5880922719b61206;hb=299a08f325f3de71e191b17b16a120d1714e3d7c;hp=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000;hpb=1aaa6ba3686a5a14f2957b6b8d02ffc0903f6832;p=gofetch.git diff --git a/test/expected/SLASHDOT/0102636958 b/test/expected/SLASHDOT/0102636958 new file mode 100644 index 0000000..f4aa3c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/test/expected/SLASHDOT/0102636958 @@ -0,0 +1,437 @@ + COMPUTER CHIPS ARE STILL 'MADE IN USA' (AXIOS.COM) + + Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (msmash) + from the how-about-that dept. + + o News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/1558206/computer-chips-are-still-made-in-usa + o Source link: https://www.axios.com/computer-chips-manufacturing-america--10dcfe13-64f3-4ea9-ad4a-cb189a00429a.html + + + For all the wishful thinking about manufacturing more laptops + and iPhones in the U.S., there is one sector of tech + manufacturing where America remains a leader: computer chips. + From a report: Some $44 billion worth of semiconductors are + exported from the U.S. each year, making them America's fourth + leading manufacturing export after cars, airplanes and refined + oil. There are roughly 80 wafer fabrication plants (aka fabs) + in the U.S., spread across 19 states. [...] An even greater + share of the world's computer chips are designed domestically + and made overseas by companies including Qualcomm, Apple, + Broadcom and Nvidia. A bunch of the high-tech gear needed to + produce chips is also designed and/or made in the U.S. + + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by bobbied ( 2522392 )) + + + Why? + Politics of course.. + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Alwin Barni ( 5107629 )) + + + > Why? + > Politics of course.. + Could you please expand? + + ** Re:Why is it "wishful thinking"? (Score:5, Funny) + (by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 )) + + + >> Why? + >> Politics of course.. + > Could you please expand? + P o l i t i c s o f c o u r s e. + + ** Re: (Score:2, Funny) + (by Anonymous Coward) + + + >>> Why? + >>> Politics of course.. + >> Could you please expand? + > + > P o l i t i c s o f c o u r s e. + > + I'm not sure if I should laugh, or hunt you down and + smack you upside your head with a 2x4. + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by Highdude702 ( 4456913 )) + + + I mean, I thought it was hilarious, and it wasn't + the name calling garbage you see here too often. + + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Alwin Barni ( 5107629 )) + + + :-) + However: + expand ikspand/ + verb + verb: expand; 3rd person present: expands; past + tense: expanded; past participle: expanded; gerund + or present participle: expanding + * become or make larger or more extensive + * give a fuller version or account of. + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 )) + + + > :-) + > However: expand - verb ... + > (1) become or make larger or more extensive + > (2) give a fuller version or account of. + Yup, I know; I was married to an English teacher + for 20 years, but using the first definition was + funnier. :-) + [1]Remember Sue... [tumblr.com] + + + + + [1] http://remembersue.tumblr.com/ + + + + + + + ** Re: Why is it "wishful thinking"? (Score:1) + (by Anonymous Coward) + + + The only reason is automation. Jobs were never going to come + back from chip manufacturing. + They have a factory crew for setting up the parts and feeding + the machines. Pretty cheap, doesn't actually make much money + for anyone but the corporation running it. It's all + "unskilled" and low pay...setting up all those machines, + getting material dimensions in spec and running the machine + is just considered general labor. + + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by YuppieScum ( 1096 )) + + + > If the US leads in chip manufacture, why can't it be + > competitive in putting the pieces together? + Because most of the CPU silicon used in the commonest devices + - phones and laptops - is fabbed in Asia. + + Because most of the parts - like screens, RAM and flash + storage - are also made in Asia, so it's cheaper to bolt it + all together in a location closest to the source of the most + parts. + + Because final assembly of something like an iPhone is a + manual process that requires the dexterity of nimble fingers. + It's not quite the same as bolting doors onto a Chevvy. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 )) + + + Because it hardly has any of the pieces right now - it would + be a massive effort to put all the supply chains in place for + the various electronics components needed for a whole + computer when the US currently makes little more than chips. + Currently those supply chains are in Asia (which also has the + advantages of cheap labor and lax environmental laws). I'd + compare it to going from just making engine blocks to making + a whole car, but that underplays the difficulty too much. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by AHuxley ( 892839 )) + + + Re "why can't it be competitive in putting the pieces + together?" + Think back to the 1970 and 1980's when the CPU thing needed + new production lines and was no longer low yield skilled lab + work. + Non first world nations part pay their workers in food, + dormitories. Their introduction to work is free as its part + of the nations free "education". + Tax reductions and industrial export support then further + supports the electronics brand in the poor nation. + No unions. Lots of pollution. + + The big brands moved to ver + + + ** But for how long? (Score:2) + (by DMJC ( 682799 )) + + + Sure they still do, but China is beginning to manufacture X86 + CPUs directly. It's only a matter of time until they catch up + and crush Intel and AMD through undercutting, and throwing money + at the problem. [1]https://www.tomshardware.com/n... + [tomshardware.com] + + + + + [1] + https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-zen-x86-processor-dryhan- + a,37417.html + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Dallas May ( 4891515 )) + + + In the long run, yes. Probably not really soon. There are + plenty of significant advances happening that space right + now. They might market to the far low end PCs, but they + aren't the market AMD and Intel really want anyway. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by jon3k ( 691256 )) + + + By then (10-20 years, if they're lucky) the desktop will be + commoditized and mobile (ie laptops) mostly replaced with + ARM. All the growth is in the server market and China is a + long, long way from producing an X86 CPU that can compete + with Intel Xeons. Who knows what the landscape will look like + by then. + + ** Re: But for how long? (Score:2) + (by adolf ( 21054 )) + + + This will also be the year of Linux on the desktop! + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by tsa ( 15680 )) + + + Yeah, paradise is near! + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by adolf ( 21054 )) + + + We're on the home stretch, boys! + + + + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by AHuxley ( 892839 )) + + + As long as the NRO needs hand crafted space CPU products. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by CaffeinatedBacon ( 5363221 )) + + + But who will people trust to make their CPU's. Intel with + their "management engine" and AMD etc all with the same is + already freaking enough people out. + Who is going to want a Chinese CPU with who knows what + running on it that you will never be able to see, has access + to everything, and can do anything it wants to "your + computer" and "your data". + Most countries would probably just ban them like they are + [1]doing for 5G telecom equipment already. [nytimes.com] + + + + + [1] + https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/technology/huawei-banned-a- + ustralia-5g.html + + + ** Yeah, but . . . (Score:5, Interesting) + (by dtmos ( 447842 ) *) + + + . . . computer chips with state-of-the-art lithography soon all + will be manufactured overseas. Specifically, they will be made + by exactly two companies, [1]Samsung [samsungfoundry.com] and + [2]TSMC [tsmc.com], with GlobalFoundries' recent announcement + that it is [3]stopping development of its 7nm process + [anandtech.com]. GF operated the old IBM facility in Fishkill, + NY, and AFAIK was the last company offering state-of-the-art + foundry services with a fab in the US. + Intel is still in business, of course, and even has a [4]foundry + business [intel.com], but it cannot seem to successfully operate + it -- substantially all of its wafer starts are chips of its own + design. With the capital cost of each new-generation fab + reaching $20 billion, it's only a matter of time until Intel -- + which has only its internal product base of chip designs to fill + its fabs, while Samsung and TSMC make chips for the entire + industry -- can no longer afford the move to the next + generation. + If the rest of the semiconductor industry (or the US DoD) wants + high-performance computer chips, there's now nowhere to go + except Samsung and TSMC. It will be interesting to see what + politicians do when they realize that the best digital chips can + no longer be manufactured in the US. The choice seems to be + either (1) have our economy -- everything from cell phones to + missiles -- dependent on chips manufactured overseas, or (2) + subsidize Intel's foundry business and the semiconductor + equipment manufacturers to the tune of tens of $billions, just + to keep a US source of high-performance semiconductors. + + + + + [1] https://www.samsungfoundry.com/foundry/homepage.do + [2] http://www.tsmc.com/english/default.htm + [3] + https://www.anandtech.com/show/13277/globalfoundries-stops-all-7- + nm-development + [4] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/overview.html + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by Dallas May ( 4891515 )) + + + The same reason they haven't produced a car yet. They + could, but they don't want to. They have good deals with + their current suppliers, so why make that investment? + + ** The normal Transition of economies (Score:2) + (by aberglas ( 991072 )) + + + 1. Primary production + 2. Manufacturing + 3. Services + Services will keep things going fine. Lawyers, tax + accountants, retail and beauty consultants. That is + where the growth will come from. + + + + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by nateman1352 ( 971364 )) + + + TI doesn't have state-of-the-art lithography for digital. + They gave up on the Moore's Law race 10 years ago after + they reached 45nm. TI realized during the development of + WinRT that building CPUs requires very expensive fabs and + if you are not an x86 supplier then your only option is to + make ARM chips, which is a race to the bottom with very + thin margins. TI realized they can make more money + building mixed signal designs on older process. + + + + ** Re:Yeah, but . . . (Score:4, Insightful) + (by Graymalkin ( 13732 ) *) + + + State of the art lithography is not a synonym for + high-performance computer chips. In fact for a lot of uses, + DoD included, state of the art lithography is nowhere in the + requirements. Hardened chips on robust/insulated substrates + is more important in many uses than smaller die traces. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by KalvinB ( 205500 )) + + + They'll be subsidized under issues of national security if + they're really needed by the government. The government + generally doesn't run bleeding edge technology so the chips + that can be produced in the US will be plenty sufficient for + government needs. If the government ever needs a $20 billion + plant, they'll cut a check under the national defense budget. + We've been comfortable with foreign made chips for decades in + the consumer market. Unless there is a severe national + security issue that won't change. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by nateman1352 ( 971364 )) + + + Intel has the same fundamental problem with foundry that AMD + had 10 years ago. Every 3rd party company does not trust + Intel to prioritize their products over Intel's own products. + Intel will always build their own products on the latest + process node first. If you fab with Intel then your wafers + will always get 2nd priority over Intel's own wafers. The + only way that is not the case is if you are such a huge + customer that your contract requires Intel to construct an + entire new factory just for you. Then you h + + + ** Poor writing in TFA (Score:5, Informative) + (by whoever57 ( 658626 )) + + + "An even greater share of the world's computer chips are + designed domestically and made overseas by companies including + Qualcomm, Apple, Broadcom and Nvidia." + This reads as though Qualcomm, Apple, Broadcom and Nvidia are + making chips. What would be clear and accurate is: + "An even greater share of the world's computer chips are + designed domestically by companies including Qualcomm, Apple, + Broadcom and Nvidia and made overseas." + + ** Still somewhat misleading... (Score:4, Informative) + (by YuppieScum ( 1096 )) + + + Don't forget, a hefty chunk of Qualcomm's - and pretty much + all of Apple's - designs are not original, but instead are + based on IP from ARM, a British company (although recently + bought out by SoftBank). + + In fact, Broadcom and Nvidia are also licencees of ARM IP as + well, but less of their overall product range derives from + it. + + + ** Are you sure? (Score:3, Interesting) + (by Gabest ( 852807 )) + + + TSMC and Samsung are the leaders in chip making. And second + class Intel and AMD both have shady Middle-East ties from Israel + and Dubai. + + ** 13% market share is not good (Score:4, Interesting) + (by Goldsmith ( 561202 )) + + + This is a crazy article. At the end, it meekly points out that + the US has a 13% market share in chip production. Given that the + US started this industry, leads in design in this space, leads + in capital available for high tech industry, and that the US + accounts for 15% to 18% of global GDP, a 13% market share in + chip production is very poor performance. This is below what you + might expect for a simple commodity that depends only on + domestic market size and way below what you'd expect for this + industry. + +