X-Git-Url: http://git.nikiroo.be/?a=blobdiff_plain;f=test%2Fexpected%2FSLASHDOT%2F0102640098;fp=test%2Fexpected%2FSLASHDOT%2F0102640098;h=dc0bd6b02479c2d4d57bd0e31a2216f563ca7985;hb=299a08f325f3de71e191b17b16a120d1714e3d7c;hp=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000;hpb=1aaa6ba3686a5a14f2957b6b8d02ffc0903f6832;p=gofetch.git diff --git a/test/expected/SLASHDOT/0102640098 b/test/expected/SLASHDOT/0102640098 new file mode 100644 index 0000000..dc0bd6b --- /dev/null +++ b/test/expected/SLASHDOT/0102640098 @@ -0,0 +1,597 @@ + SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS ARE NOW MORE VALUABLE TO COMPANIES THAN + MONEY, SAYS SURVEY (CNBC.COM) + + Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (BeauHD) + from the new-breed-of-corporate-leaders dept. + + o News link: https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/2024232/software-developers-are-now-more-valuable-to-companies-than-money-says-survey + o Source link: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/06/companies-worry-more-about-access-to-software-developers-than-capital.html + + + An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: As our global + economy increasingly comes to run on technology-enabled rails + and every company becomes a tech company, demand for + high-quality software engineers is at an all-time high. A + recent study from Stripe and Harris Poll found that 61 percent + of C-suite executives believe access to developer talent is a + threat to the success of their business. Perhaps more + surprisingly -- as we mark a decade after the financial crisis + -- this threat was even ranked above capital constraints. And + yet, despite being many corporations' most precious resource, + developer talents are all too often squandered. Collectively, + companies today lose upward of $300 billion a year paying down + "technical debt," as developers pour time into maintaining + legacy systems or dealing with the ramifications of bad + software. This is especially worrisome, given the outsized + impact developers have on companies' chances of success. + Software developers don't have a monopoly on good ideas, but + their skill set makes them a uniquely deep source of + innovation, productivity and new economic connections. When + deployed correctly, developers can be economic multipliers -- + coefficients that dramatically ratchet up the output of the + teams and companies of which they're a part. + + + ** So why not treat them well? (Score:5, Insightful) + (by gweihir ( 88907 )) + + + Naa, that would be un-capitalist. Developers must be cheap + wage-slaves that do not have a real career-path and are unable + to find a job once they hit 50. That will surely not have any + impact on whether smart people go into software writing or not, + right? + + ** Re: So why not treat them well? (Score:1) + (by Dannis12345 ( 5512754 )) + + + This is really true. As the fact that the IT leads the world. + + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 )) + + + > But even so, I hear these horror stories about how + > software developers are treated and I just have not seen + > it. + Me neither. I have worked for companies that had catered + meals, free soda, laundry service, sky diving bonding + trips, etc. I have had plenty of opportunities to travel. + I have worked some late nights, and done a few death + marches, but those only lasted a few weeks, out of a + career lasting decades. + Software developers are likely the most spoiled employees + in the history of the world. + People will alway whine. + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by gweihir ( 88907 )) + + + > People will alway whine. + And there you are wrong. I have a pretty good career + myself. But I see how many coders are treated and I am + not surprised at all that there are by far not enough + good ones. + + ** Re: (Score:1) + (by NicknameUnavailable ( 4134147 )) + + + As much as I'm for better treatment and perks for + coders, the issue of "not enough good ones" isn't + because of that. There's only so many smart people, + dumb people and mediocre people don't make good + coders. Some of the above-average ones might make + the cut as maintenance coders or some incredibly + soul-crushing AGILE environment where they don't + actually have to think, but for the most part any + programming position of note requires a 150+ IQ to + do even moderately well. + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by HornWumpus ( 783565 )) + + + How many 3+ standard deviation people are we + supposed to believe you know? + Same crit as you gave the GP. I doubt you know + even one. + + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by gweihir ( 88907 )) + + + The issue is very much that a lot of the few + people that could be good at it, see the working + conditions and career options and go somewhere + else. Also, 150+IQ people basically do not exist. + I gather this is some wired non-standard US + scale... + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by _Sharp'r_ ( 649297 )) + + + Having a measured IQ >150, I can tell you with + my excellent two-minute Googling skills there + are approximately 300K in the U.S. if you're + using the Stanford-Binet scale. For the + Wechsler scale, it's more like 140K, which is + still a lot of people. Heck, the Prometheus + Society's cut-off for membership is 160+. I + guess to you, they basically don't exist... + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 )) + + + > ... see the working conditions and career + > options and go somewhere else. + Where do they go? + Doctors, lawyers and investment bankers work + longer hours than programmers. Nearly everyone + else makes less money. + Maybe they become underwater welders? + + + + + + + + ** Re:So why not treat them well? (Score:5, Interesting) + (by spagthorpe ( 111133 )) + + + It won't really have any impact, because young people don't + think they'll ever get old. Or it will be different for them. + Had a 20-something at my last job make a number of comments + about some of the older developers there, saying they'd hate + to still be working at that age, and that they are probably + stuck doing the same work because they can't learn anything + new. I don't know why he was telling me this, as I was twice + his age at the time, but it's obvious that he doesn't think + he'll be in the same position. + They ultimately did lay off a lot of their senior engineers + and replace a lot of the position with 20-somethings, + including in project management positions. A number of those + projects never saw the light of day after years of re-writes + into new frameworks. + + + ** And yet there's agile (Score:2) + (by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 )) + + + And open concept offices. + + ** Re:And yet there's agile (Score:5, Interesting) + (by Seven Spirals ( 4924941 )) + + + I've quit one job and refused two others because of open + offices. The two I refused were absolutely flabbergasted by + my refusal. They literally could not understand why anyone + wouldn't want to be in an open office space surrounded on 3.8 + sides by glass-walled manager offices, loud ugly marketing + girls, and a bunch of H1B dudes who couldn't be bothered to + wear deodorant. That place (MX Logic) had the worst looking + office I've ever seen. One of them offered me the job on the + spot after the interview and I was already shutting them down + and refusing it before they even got started. I told them + there is about a zero percent chance of getting anyone really + talented to take the gig, because they had this ridiculous + noisy slave pit thing going. I nearly left before I even + *did* the interview I was so disgusted with the place. The + hiring manager was (of course) offended, but he was also + clueless. About a year after that interview I had a guy come + up to me at the local Maker Space who was one of the + "technical resources" for the company during the interview + (quiet guy in the back of the room). He told me "My god was I + cheering when you refused them over the goddamn open + workspace idiocy. My boss was upset over that for weeks. They + still talk about it during the hiring process and argue about + it." + + ** Re: (Score:1) + (by bkmoore ( 1910118 )) + + + > ....One of them offered me the job on the spot after the + > interview and I was already shutting them down and + > refusing it before they even got started..... + It begs the question, why even apply there in the first + place. + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by Klaxton ( 609696 )) + + + > It begs the question, why even apply there in the first + > place. + So you could see their office environment tucked away + behind the job description on the internet? + + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Ocker3 ( 1232550 )) + + + "But I can See everyone and I know that they're working" - + Manager If someone doesn't know enough about their direct + report's job that they don't know whether they're working + or not without seeing them at their desk, there's a + problem. Not all jobs are reduced in efficiency by a + cubicle farm, but if your job is primarily about mental + focus for the time-intensive tasks, then most people will + benefit from having their own room. And the employer will + probably benefit enough that an actual room is a + worthwhile + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by erp_consultant ( 2614861 )) + + + Sounds like a real horror show. Safe to say you made the + right move. + + + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by Klaxton ( 609696 )) + + + I've worked in the industry for many years, usually with a + private office or shared with one person. Recently got a job + in an agile "scrum" shop, which went to an open floorplan a + few months later. Miserable experience on both counts. Every + day you get a Jira work ticket for some "the user wants to + see" granule of a thing that you had no part in designing. + Zero privacy. It is amazingly de-motivating. + + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by HornWumpus ( 783565 )) + + + Microsoft owns javascript? You have things backwards. + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by gweihir ( 88907 )) + + + I was thinking the same thing. Although JavaScript, Java, + and the surrounding ecosystems could have come from MS, no + doubt. + + + + ** Yeah, right (Score:5, Insightful) + (by Anonymous Coward) + + + If they considered developers more important than money, they'd + pay the developers more to keep the skilled ones. Every time a + developer leaves a company, a hunk of business knowledge walks + out the door with him. + Companies care about that quarter's finance report, and the + C-level execs care only about fleecing the company for all they + can stuff into their own pockets. Look at what they do, not what + some survey says. + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:3, Interesting) + (by Anonymous Coward) + + + LOL. You've massively understated the ageism and the issue + of job qualifications. + First, the ageism problem is associated also with a + problem that people aren't allowed to take breaks. After + having great success even to the point of being a chief + architect on an 80-man program, I quit working for a while + and now can't find anyone who will let me start at the + bottom. + But, the job qualification thing is really ridiculous. A + good software engineer is a specialist at picking up new + domains, languages, frameworks, + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Anonymous Brave Guy ( 457657 )) + + + > Don't know where you live, but in most places I think + > developers are paid fairly well. We offer + > straight-out-of-school newbies $80-$90k, and still some + > turn us down for better offers. + Most places are not the Bay Area or a few big US cities. + In most of the world, new starter salaries in software + development are rarely more than 1/3 of that level, and in + many places they are much lower. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Ocker3 ( 1232550 )) + + + Your post is probably at zero rep because it was posted + AC, but you make good points. + + + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by Klaxton ( 609696 )) + + + Software developers generally have to do what they are told, + and work on whatever the boss thinks is important. You don't + get to decide whether it is going to bring in money or not. + + + ** Yeah haven't heard that one before (Score:2) + (by Crashmarik ( 635988 )) + + + Maybe it just sounds too much like 40 years of businesses + claiming there was a shortage of engineers in the U.S. when what + they meant was there was a shortage of engineers that could be + treated really badly. + Or maybe it's the fact that companies only seem to be willing to + hire H1Bs that will do anything not to go back to their + shitholes, or young kids who are stupid enough to believe + managements promises and have no family or social life to + distract from putting in 80+ hour weeks ? + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by zlives ( 2009072 )) + + + you misread, and i quote + "developer talent is a threat to the success of their + business" thus the hiring of no talent, spot filling h1b. and + if they accidentally get a talented h1b... replace and + repeat. + + + ** FTFY (Score:5, Funny) + (by thevirtualcat ( 1071504 )) + + + Software Developers Who Are Willing To Work For Uncompetitive + Wages And No Benefits Are Now More Valuable To Companies Than + Money, Says Survey + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Seven Spirals ( 4924941 )) + + + Fucking-A right. Period. + + + ** .ORG (Score:4, Insightful) + (by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )) + + + This just tells me that developers need to get organized and + start saying no to 80+ work weeks collectively. Otherwise it + will be divided they fall, forever. + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Ocker3 ( 1232550 )) + + + How do we re-invent Unions without calling them Unions and + avoid the very real baggage that the term has in the USA? + Guilds? + + + ** In other news... (Score:1) + (by Robobox Computer ( 5357621 )) + + + The sun rose today. + + ** Legacy systems are out of control (Score:2) + (by xack ( 5304745 )) + + + Microsoft has just announced paid extended support for Windows 7 + as too many companies are using it. There’s a lot of server 2003 + systems out there too, with companies rather risking security + exploits than upgrade. + + ** + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Ocker3 ( 1232550 )) + + + A pity that new features aren't separated from security + patches to allow users to keep their old platform secure + without feature changes. + + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by xvan ( 2935999 )) + + + > Newer file browsers no longer let you edit the file path, + > you have to click on everything to get somewhere + Ctrl+L , no, you don't need to thank me. + + + + ** Re: (Score:1) + (by Anonymous Coward) + + + So I'm supposed to upgrade the single Windows 2003 system I + have, running as a non-networked VM, hosting a proprietary + application on a system we need to lookup legacy data that + never changes so I can pay to upgrade to a modern system, + figure out a way to migrate the data from one proprietary + application to a new and different system just so I can have + support I don't need on a system that can't realistically be + exploited in the first place? + OR I'm supposed to pay a premium for extended support on the + curren + + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by gweihir ( 88907 )) + + + That is a different problem. Their new offerings are just + really bad. Also, nobody sane used MS crap on server-side. + + + ** Yet us 50+ folks are unemployed (Score:4, Informative) + (by Snotnose ( 212196 )) + + + Forget how long I've been out of work, it's been 2-3 years now + since I quit looking. + + ** Re: (Score:3) + (by Locke2005 ( 849178 )) + + + I'm 57 and got at least 3 calls TODAY offering to submit me + for contract software positions. Granted, a lot of recruiters + try to low-ball me on the hourly rate, but they change their + tune as soon as you call their bluff and tell them you're not + interested at that low rate. + + ** Re: (Score:1) + (by Anonymous Coward) + + + > I'm 57 and got at least 3 calls TODAY offering to submit + > me for contract software positions. Granted, a lot of + > recruiters try to low-ball me on the hourly rate, but they + > change their tune as soon as you call their bluff and tell + > them you're not interested at that low rate. + I get recruiters wanting to submit me all the time. Then + after a week, I follow up and the "the position is + closed." I think recruiters are assholes who got fired + from see car lots for ethics violations. + So, when you get a real job with health insurance, you'll + be an outlier. + Of course, that's assumimg you're not full of shit. + + ** Re: (Score:2) + (by Locke2005 ( 849178 )) + + + I agree; I regard recruiters as people that weren't + ethical enough to get jobs as used car salesmen. I + interviewed for a job once, didn't get any response, so + I started another position. A month after the initial + interview, the recruiter for the first position offered + me $1500 cash in a plain, unmarked envelope to quit the + job I'd just started and take the other position + instead! (Apparently the cash came out of his + commission.) So yes, recruiters know nothing, rely + almost entirely on keyword searching in r + + + + + ** So, the old adage? (Score:2) + (by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 )) + + + Employees are our most valuable asset? I'm pretty sure it's + actually still money. + + ** Nonsensical headline... (Score:2) + (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 )) + + + It's like saying "gold is worth more than money!" - totally + meaningless. + One (gold, developers) is a commodity that IS exchanged, the + other (money) is the medium OF exchange. + Saying that "commodity X" is worth more than "exchange medium Y" + makes no sense because a commodity CANNOT be worth "more" or + "less" than the medium of exchange used - it can only ever be + worth a specified amount of Y. + + ** Talk about not understanding an article / Poll (Score:2) + (by Harlequin80 ( 1671040 )) + + + No where does it say that companies think developers are more + important than money. + The results state that the companies perceive the risk of not + being able to find skills as higher than the risks of not being + able to access capital. + This is especially true if you're a cash rich organisation. + In the current financial climate finding returns on your + investments is hard. Interest rates are at historically low + levels, bond returns are zero, and so that leaves higher risk + investments to get returns. That effecti + + ** lots of employees are "worth more than money"... (Score:2) + (by bkmoore ( 1910118 )) + + + What management school fails to teach young inexperienced + executives: If the company's future existence depends on whether + or not an employee does the job correctly or not, they are + "worth more than money". + + ** Tech debt is a business decision (Score:2) + (by swm ( 171547 )) + + + Incurring technical debt is a business decision. + And it may well be the right decision. + For example, in a startup, time to market typically trumps + software quality. + And there are a lot of startups in the software field... + + ** Not at my compamy (Score:1) + (by dccase ( 56453 )) + + + Not at my company, and certainly not at any other + publicly-traded company. + Maybe at some privately-held company until it gets bought out. + + ** Employees are our Most Valuable Asset (Score:3) + (by R3d M3rcury ( 871886 )) + + + Right behind [1]carbon paper. [dilbert.com] + + + + + [1] http://dilbert.com/strip/1993-03-03 + + ** And this is why we keep them chained to (Score:2) + (by Ranger ( 1783 )) + + + a cubicle. + +