X-Git-Url: http://git.nikiroo.be/?p=gofetch.git;a=blobdiff_plain;f=test%2Fexpected%2FREDDIT%2F2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us;fp=test%2Fexpected%2FREDDIT%2F2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us;h=ed1f34a586275bc936beb5cbf0322dbd9c57053d;hp=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000;hb=254d5bc320fa106f9d0a05c1e32a09adda6f82e0;hpb=7273fd5890478d6ec1f3c566e0c5e4640ab79f15 diff --git a/test/expected/REDDIT/2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us b/test/expected/REDDIT/2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ed1f34a --- /dev/null +++ b/test/expected/REDDIT/2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us @@ -0,0 +1,982 @@ + [SMALL UPDATE] LINUX USER NUMBERS ON STEAM INCREASED TO 0.78% + (FROM 0.71%) AFTER FIXING A ROUNDING ERROR + + [linux_gaming] 2018-10-09_08-00 + + o Reference: 2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us + o News link: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/9l7jlz/small_update_linux_user_numbers_on_steam/ + o Source link: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ + + + Lets get to 1.00% before the end of the year. :) + + + ** ryao + Lets get to 1.00% before the end of the year. :) + + ** Dirkan + The top 1%. + + ** PM_mePicturesYouLike + soon they'll be mad about the our privileges + + ** salsadoom + Fucking uppity peasants! + + ** grandmastermoth + we can always burninate them. + + ** Swiftpaw22 + By setting their Windows computers on fire? Nah, + besides that happens already. Instead we show + them Linux can save their computers, and their + privacy, and their sanity, and give them better + performance, all at once! + + ** grandmastermoth + No we set the peasants on fire. Like so: + [1]https://homestarrunner.com/trogdor-canvas/i- + ndex.html + + + + + [1] + https://homestarrunner.com/trogdor-canvas/inde- + x.html + + ** Swiftpaw22 + I'm familiar already, yep, was moving + beyond that old reference. Homestar is + still great, though. :3 + + + + + + + + ** Swiftpaw22 + Except instead of being thieves who have corrupted and + rigged the system, we're Robin Hoods working on teaching + the poor 99% about a better way to game until the + establishment is overthrown. :3 + + + ** electricprism + The higher, the fewer. We are the top of the tech industry. + + + ** alexandre9099 + Of the top 1% + + + + ** ReadAParadox + Am I the only one who feels sad that the number of users for our + platform can be changed with a reasonable difference only from a + rounding error ... + + ** FurbyOnSteroid + I don't think it's sad. There are a lot of different distros + for any kind of people. Which is a good thing in my opinion + (as long as they are maintained obviously). + + + ** Zach_Attakk + Welcome to statistical insignificance. Give it time. + + + ** FurbyOnSteroid + [1]Link to the tweet regarding that change + + + + + [1] https://twitter.com/Plagman2/status/1047655420020453378 + + ** Finniss + I work hard to allow my kids to have a great gaming experience + on Linux, so we can raise the next generation right. :) Let's + keep up the work; those are rookie numbers. + + ** moonwork + I did that for my niece and nephew. It worked great until + Fortnite. Goddamn Epic and their goddamn assumptions. + + ** pdp10 + Epic has deals with Microsoft, and is partially owned by + PRC interests. + Now, I'm not saying that causes them not to be on Linux; + they're currently on non-Microsoft platforms from Apple, + Sony, and Nintendo. I am saying that their deals with + Microsoft could be correlated in some way with their + platform decisions, however. Valve has no deals with + Microsoft as far as I know, which could be correlated with + their support of Linux/SteamOS. + + + ** FartCompany + Social pressure right? Normie sees linux for the first + time Wat iaasa that You : linux + Normie : WHY YOU NO WINDOWS YOU ARE SUCH AN NERD (and then + social pressures you to switch to windows) + Normie strenght = ignorance + + ** moonwork + I mean, I wouldn't call Tim Sweeney a "normie", but + sure. + + Installing Linux is sort of the equivalent of moving to + Canada when one doesn’t like US political trends. + Nope, we’ve got to fight for the freedoms we have + today, where we have them today. + Source: + [1]https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/9642844027- + 41149698 + I'm just frustrated that Epic made their game engine + (Unreal 4) support Linux, and then decided their + flagship game shouldn't demonstrate that capability, + because that's somehow a bad investment. + One would hope that Publishers would at some point stop + seeing Linux users as the market potential, when, in + fact, it's the Windows Users that are the untapped part + of the market. Any old indie company can't do that, but + major AAA game publishers could, if they wanted to. + Brb counting to 10 before I blow a casket. + + + + + [1] + https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/9642844027411- + 49698 + + ** colonel_p4n1c + blow a casket + A bit early for necrophilia, no? + + ** moonwork + Hey, am I coming to YOUR reddits and tell YOU how + to MORTAL? No. So kindly back off and let me lich + the way I like to lich. + + + + + ** gentlegiant1972 + I brought up Linux on a thread in [1]/r/pcgaming where + people were bitching about how shitty windows 10 is and + I was instantly downvoted. + It's like these people are standing in a pool of shit + and complaining about how much it stinks but if you + tell them they don't have to stand in a pool of shit + they tell you to fuck off. + + + + + [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming + + ** pdp10 + It's been that way for a long time. People seem + willing to give deep, nuanced opinions why the users + of the world can't possibly use an office suite + other than the one from Microsoft, but when you ask + them to articulate a reproducible (therefore + fixable) bug with any competitor, such as + LibreOffice, it's nothing but crickets. Most of them + never chose to switch from other apps to + Microsoft's, so they don't really have reasons to + give, you see. They're just uninterested in making + problems for themselves for what they see as other + people's crusade. + I suppose that psychologically speaking, it's the + urge to defend one's behavior in the face of + criticism. That's why criticizing Windows in + general, and Windows users in particular , is not a + very good method of persuasion. + The best persuasion isn't persuasion at all, and + it's not a debate or provocation. It's gentle + statement of fact: we use Linux to accomplish a, b, + c, 1, 2, 3, successfully. No tool is best for all + uses, but Linux is particularly good for x, y, z, 7, + 8, 9. + + ** epaaj + We're migrating back to Windows where I work. + Users were complaining about missing features and + compatibility issues in Libre Office + sheets/excel. Unfortunately Microsoft Office is + very good and it's hard to find any replacement + that matches the overall experience. + I rarely use any office suite applications at all + so can't really point at specific things myself. + + ** pdp10 + I don't really use office apps any more + either, but I'm relatively aware of issues + involving app migration by users because I do + a lot of scale migrations, since before + Windows was even used in enterprise. + What's key is to identify how users are using + the apps, and then which functionality. There + are certain things that will never probably + work perfectly in a competitor, but then for + example [1]Excel macros don't necessarily even + work in Microsoft's Mac version of Excel . + So on one hand, users in some industries and + situations might have a lot of legacy + macro-laden spreadsheets. But on the other + hand, in a great many cases, workflows done in + spreadsheets need to move to a more-structured + system for risk reasons anyway (search on: + "spreadsheet risk"). So we need to replace + these [2]so-called "spreadmarts" with managed, + audited, far less risky systems where it's + hard for error to creep in due to human error + and hard for unintentional forks of data and + "code" to be made every time a spreadsheet is + copied and e-mailed around. + Of course, replacing or implementing + enterprise systems is complicated and takes + time. More than a few firms are in the process + of de-coupling themselves from proprietary + apps from dBASE to Excel to Photoshop, with a + goal of being dramatically more flexible in + how their staff can work. Offsite from a cafe + with a Chromebook? No problem. Update and + approve data from iOS? No problem. Power users + working miracles with Emacs on Linux? No + problem. + + + + + [1] + http://blog.parallels.com/2016/01/21/differenc- + es-microsoft-office-mac/ + [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreadmart + + + + ** TheConquistaa + The bad thing is that open source software is + pretty much inoperable more or less with + proprietary formats. And open formats don't work + that well inside proprietary suites. + You may have ODF but people use OOXML. + You may have .xcf but people use .psd + I only yesterday had to edit a poster that had + some text in it and found that GIMP cannot edit + text inside a .psd file (it renders it as raster + image). There was no plug-in for this and found + no converter from psd to xcf. So I had to rely on + a site that can see the font in pictures and go + to trial and error to make the text similar. Not + quite the best alternative to running Photoshop. + + + + ** ShugoWah + Funny, this is -exactly- the same experience of + watching your Twitter-using friends bitch 18 hours a + day about how bad Twitter is, and then laugh at the + thought of giving Mastodon a look. + + + ** KatsAwfulReddit + Most PC users don't really want the usability of a + computer, they just want a console with better power + and mouse and keyboard support + + + ** Finniss + Online is hard because it comes off as preachy. I + just use the stuff in normal life and when someone + wants to know how I do something, I show them. A + number of people have switched to Libre Office and + Linux because they see how I use it to do some very + technical things easily, and it changes they + preconceived notions about it. Sometimes I have had + to work very hard to make things work, but I feel it + is worth it in the long run. My biggest problem (and + still occasionally is) is connecting to our MS + Exchange mail/calendar server. The mail program + Evolution does OK but my slightly outdated version + still is missing some key calendar features. I need + to check for updates on that. If people complain + about Windows, I offer to set them up with a dual + boot system so they can try Linux or go back to + Windows if they need it for something special. + + + + + ** Finniss + My son is 7 and my wife does want him playing first person + shooters yet, so we are safe there for now. My daughter + has no interest in it. I figured someone would have + figured out how to run that in linux. They want to play + Roblox and use my phone for it for now. I tell them about + how I disapprove of Microsoft and how by using + alternatives, they make computing better for the world. + Then I get them a new Linux game and keep them happy for a + while. + + + + ** ReadAParadox + True father/mother. + + ** JonaldLovesDong + parent + + ** grandmastermoth + we need to breed more + + ** pr0ghead + You can't straight-up breed parents. That's not how + that works. + + + + + + ** StardusterPrime + Jesus, how thirsty am I to celebrate a .07% jump? + + ** Two-Tone- + Well, if you put it in perspective, since Proton was + announced, our total user base has increased by 59% . + And that is just in less than two months, not even a month + and a half. That is insane growth. [1]It's so insane that we + actually reversed over a year's worth of decline in less than + two months . + + + + + [1] + https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=steam_linux_sh- + are + + ** Zach_Attakk + I think not everyone boots up Steam every day, especially + if they're a Linux gamer that was only playing the SteamOS + compatible games until now, and maybe doesn't follow the + news as much. There's also a whole bunch of Linux players + running the Windows Steam client in wine, which means when + that survey (that popped up this week) reports back, it'll + report Windows. + + In short, I think there's a whole bunch of Linux gamers + that haven't come on board yet. + + ** Two-Tone- + I think not everyone boots up Steam every day, + especially if they're a Linux gamer that was only + playing the SteamOS compatible games until now, and + maybe doesn't follow the news as much + How did nearly an extra 60% of users all decided to + just start running Steam again in the last month and a + half, completely unrelated to the announcement of + Proton? + And even then, what about the substantial loss of + percentage over the last couple of years? Surely we + wouldn't have seen our numbers steadily drop lower and + lower too we were nearly reduced by half if these + people were still there. + + There's also a whole bunch of Linux players running the + Windows Steam client in wine, which means when that + survey (that popped up this week) reports back, it'll + report Windows. + In the past the hardware survey explicitly detected + that steam is running in wine and even what version, + all to be counted as Linux or Other (iirc). I see no + reason that'd change now or any time in the last year+. + E: rereading this I may come across as rather angry. + Not my intent, I'm just tired. Sorry + + ** Zach_Attakk + unrelated to the announcement of Proton? + I'm not saying "nobody" did it, I'm saying there + might be a significant portion that didn't see the + article. Maybe not as significant as I initially + thought, but I'm sure more users will trickle in + over time. Or users that saw the news but didn't + think it's a priority for their gaming habits, + installing Steam Linux when their wine version was + working fine. Not everyone jumps on something the + moment they find out about it. Was just a thought... + I happened to install Linux on my old netbook + literally days before the news dropped, so I was + still in the "what can I do with my new favourite + OS" phase, but not everyone is like this. They're + just happy if it works. + + In the past the hardware survey explicitly detected + that steam is running in wine and even what version, + all to be counted as Linux or Other (iirc) + Oh I didn't know this. + + + ** dlove67 + Surely we wouldn't have seen our numbers steadily + drop lower and lower too we were nearly reduced by + half if these people were still there. + Percentage-wise, you could have. Assuming more new + windows/macOS users come, while most linux users + that were using steam are already on it. + + + + ** graemeLinux + The survey isn't what counts the OS. The OS is + auto-reported on sign on. The survey reports things + that the sign-on doesn't know or don't want to figure + out, like speed tests, etc. They know exactly how many + people are online with linux, mac, windows, etc at any + point in time. + + + + ** mishugashu + I don't think we actually declined, we just grew slower + than Windows. Looking at market share to see growth on a + single platform isn't really correct. What if a bunch of + Mac users suddenly stop gaming on Steam? Linux will go + up... but did we grow? + + + + ** SteveHeist + Considering that pushes our number from about an additional + 1/3 over last month to close to 2/5, it's nice to see at + least. + + ** HER0_01 + Except that this error was present before this fix, which + means it likely effected every stat they released from the + start of Steam on Linux. If they updated past stats after + applying this and you recalculated it, the growth would + certainly be lower. + + ** eggman_jr + They do this every month. + + ** HER0_01 + Yes, they publish stats every month, and all of + those likely are effected by that error except for + the updated September ones. The old data is not + correct. + + ** eggman_jr + What I mean is they update their stats every + month, about a week after publication. + + ** HER0_01 + Yes, I know, which is why I said "they publish + stats every month." + The problem is all of those stats except for + September, which they corrected are likely + affected by this error. This throws off our + calculations of growth, because groups that + were not represented before are now + represented, creating an artificial boost in + apparent growth. + + + + + + + + ** pr0ghead + It's roughly a 10% increase actually. + + + ** Bobby_Bonsaimind + Which translates to ~50k people. + + + ** Offensive_joke_lord + I helped a teeny bit by getting 2 people to switch to Linux + recently. But mostly thanks to all the people working on all the + software that makes up the systems we use! + I'll just keep trying to convert more people! Hopefully once we + break 1% we can take over the world, mwahahaha >:) + + ** LucasZanella + Wait. There was an error... and it went up ? + + ** zmaile + Another way to look at it - there was an error... and windows + went down. + + + ** Breadland + If they add all the fixes that were found for a lot of the + non-whitelisted games, I think a lot more people would use it. + Fallout 4 didn't work for me at first. But after looking at + spcr.netlify.com and the github issues page for proton, I found + the 3 things I had to do to fix all my problems. Now it runs + flawlessly. Well it hangs on exit, but apart from that, I never + had any issues ingame. + If Valve would add a way to implement these community fixes, so + the average user doesn't have to do anything in the terminal or + in the fallout .ini files, then playing Windows only games on + Linux would be a lot more accessible. + So hopefully by the time Proton comes out of beta, we'll have + this feature implemented. + + ** FurbyOnSteroid + I'm almost certain that this is where it's heading. As soon + as they know how a certain game can be played, all they need + to do is to put these instructions into the "first-time-run" + setup present on any game which sets these things + automatically. + + ** PolygonKiwii + Ironically, the "first-time-run" setup on some games is + the only thing blocking them from working perfectly out of + the box. Having Proton-specific ones would be a great + step. They could start by removing runtimes that are built + into Wine already and won't install cleanly anyway. + + + + ** jaykstah + I'm very excited to see this momentum. I switched to Linux Mint + and quickly fell back into Win10 due to friends still regularly + playing PUBG and some other games that are broken on Linux. This + past month I've switched back to 100% Linux usage going from + Kubuntu to Ubuntu back to Mint on my main machine (have also + been only using Linux Mint or Ubuntu on my laptop for the past + year and a half or so). + I'm glad I hopped back in to contribute to this growth. Moving + into 2019 let's make some big moves and make sure everyone knows + that Linux is the place to be if you want to play games and + simply have fun with your computer! One of my favorite things + about Linux is still customization as it lets you have fun in + doing menial tasks. + Everyone in this community is awesome for the most part so as + long as we still act as a positive influence and encourage + others in the gaming community to make the switch in a welcoming + manner then we should be able to come back here month after + month and celebrate even more growth! + + ** INITMalcanis + I'm very excited to see this momentum. + + It is exciting! And I'm delighted to find that Linux is + become so new-user friendly just when MS appears to be + dialing all the things that people dislike about Windows up + to 11. + It's long been an aphorism of mine that the future happens + either half as fast or 10 times quicker than anyone expects. + Linux has had a long run of "half as fast" - I find myself + hoping that there's going to be a phase change to "10 times + as quick". + + + ** MomoSinX + Wow, nice! + + ** AskJeevesIsBest + I'm sure the number will keep growing + + ** liamdawe + Updated [1]GOL's dedicated page that shows some history of it. + + + + + [1] + https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=steam_linux_share + + ** pr0ghead + So we've now regained the last 15 months lost to the Chinese + invasion. Neat. + + + ** Gundurr + i need a more powerful gaming rig + + ** ws-ilazki + So do a lot of people, if those statistics are even remotely + accurate. 30% of users still only have 2 physical cores, and + 60% have 4. No hyperthreading stats in that section, but + elsewhere it says only about half of surveyed systems have + it. The number of users with 8-core chips is only slightly + higher than the total Linux user stats. It's no wonder devs + don't bother making their code use more threads, if only + about 5% of Steam users have 6+ cores. Even scarier when you + consider that, since it's restricted to Steam users, the + survey probably over-represents higher-end systems. + RAM is more in line with what I expected, with the majority + having 8 or 16GB. I did expect >16GB to be a bit higher than + it was, though. + Also unsurprisingly, two 1920x1080 displays is the most + common multi-monitor configuration. I'm disappointed that it + doesn't give any sort of idea how many multi-monitor users + there are in comparison to people still only using one. + Most of the stats are pretty consistent between Linux-only + and Windows-only, too. Exceptions being higher representation + of 16GB in Linux, and total disk space in Linux is much + lower. The latter is probably because of people dual booting + and allocating less space to Linux, since most of their + space-eating games are in Windows. + + ** PolygonKiwii + and total disk space in Linux is much lower. The latter is + probably because of people dual booting and allocating + less space to Linux, since most of their space-eating + games are in Windows. + It's also because it's not detecting it correctly. For me + it always lists the amount of free space on my root + filesystem as the "total" disk space, no matter how many + other drives are mounted. + + + ** INITMalcanis + RAM is God damb expensive these days, that's maybe why + + ** ws-ilazki + That's true. It was already stupidly expensive when I + built this PC last year, and it's only gotten worse + since then apparently. I wish I could have maxed the + board out then, but I was already pushing the budget + when I went for 32GB. I was upgrading from a + ridiculously outdated system that had 6GB, with an 8GB + maximum (but one of the sticks died), so even the idea + of using that much seemed insane at the time. I figured + it would take years before I'd actually use 32... but + then I got the PC built and immediately started using + 50-90% of it regularly. Doesn't matter how much I have + I'll find a way to use it, even if I have to install + Steam games onto a ramdisk to do it. + + ** pdp10 + I figured it would take years before I'd actually + use 32... but then I got the PC built and + immediately started using 50-90% of it regularly. + That's always how it works, especially in modern + systems with virtual memory. + Back when we had RISC workstations that had 8 to 32 + times as much memory as a contemporary gaming PC, + those with the latter just couldn't see how the + memory would ever get used. + + ** ws-ilazki + See, I knew when I made it that I could find ways + to utilise it if I tried . One of the first + things I did with the newly built system was + mount half of it as a ramdisk and compile + something using all cores and no disk bottleneck, + just to watch it fly, and after that I played a + couple games off ramdisk to compare load times. + I've been abusing Linux features in stupid ways + for a long time, so I was looking forward to + doing dumb stuff like that. Plus I knew I'd be + doing GPU passthrough and using a large chunk of + it for that VM. + The thing that surprised me is how quickly I went + past 16 and even 24GB without intentionally doing + things to use every scrap of memory available. + Casual usage tends to sit at 10-14GB, and it goes + up quickly from there when I start doing anything + other than browsing. + It also didn't take long to adopt a "screw it, I + don't need to close this program" mentality with + programs I'm not using, only closing things when + I get over ~80% usage or need more memory free to + start the VM. I have a couple xkill -esque global + shortcut that send SIGSTOP or SIGCONT to a window + I click, so when I get done using a program for a + while I tend to "pause" it instead of closing, so + that I can leave even cpu-heavy programs open and + avoid startup times. + + ** pdp10 + I have a couple xkill-esque global shortcut + that send SIGSTOP or SIGCONT to a window I + click, so when I get done using a program for + a while I tend to "pause" it instead of + closing, so that I can leave even cpu-heavy + programs open and avoid startup times. + That's interesting! + + ** ws-ilazki + Actually, I forgot that I recently merged + them into a single shortcut/script, so that + was slightly incorrect. I originally + started with a couple shell functions, stop + and cont , that would do kill -STOP (or + -CONT) if given a PID or assume a process + name and use killall otherwise. Then I + reproduced that as-is with two shortcuts + and xdotool and did that for a bit. + Finally, the current setup, which checks if + the selected window is paused with ps and + sends the appropriate signal to toggle + state. + Here's the current script: #!/bin/sh + + # Get a pid via cursor, similar to xkill, + and STOP it. + # If pid is already stopped (state T), CONT + instead. + + pid="$(xdotool selectwindow getwindowpid)" + state="$(ps -q $pid -o state --no-headers)" + signal="-STOP" + + if [ "x$state" = "xT" ] ; then + signal="-CONT" + fi + + kill $signal $pid + Right now I have it bound to meta+s as a + mnemonic for "stop" but meta+p for + "play|pause" would probably make more + sense. + + + + + + + + ** pdp10 + It's no wonder devs don't bother making their code use + more threads, if only about 5% of Steam users have 6+ + cores. + One generally-accepted theory is that both major consoles + being 8-core AMD APUs since 2013 has already been pushing + developers of performance-intensive titles to use ~7 cores + effectively in their cross-platform games. + + Also unsurprisingly, two 1920x1080 displays is the most + common multi-monitor configuration. + Multiple 1920x1080 has been the most cost-effective, + high-value configuration for a number of years, and I + assume that's why the popularity. + The Hardware Survey says that Linux users are + significantly more likely to be using both UHD/4K + 3840x2160 and also laptop-res 1366x768, interestingly + enough. Basically, there's more hardware diversity at the + low and high end with Linux, which suggests that Linux is + less likely to be used to game on dedicated gaming rigs, + and more likely to be used to game where it's already + installed on high-end workstations and on regular laptops. + + ** ws-ilazki + One generally-accepted theory is that both major + consoles being 8-core AMD APUs since 2013 has already + been pushing developers of performance-intensive titles + to use ~7 cores effectively in their cross-platform + games. + I noticed that myself. And now that Ryzen finally + dragged Intel kicking and screaming into the >4 core + world, hopefully it will continue to improve. + + Multiple 1920x1080 has been the most cost-effective, + high-value configuration for a number of years, and I + assume that's why the popularity + Probably, it's what I favour for the same reason, + though I use more than two displays because there's + never enough screen real estate. I sort of hoped to see + a larger portion of users with resolutions indicating + more than two displays when I saw the gtx 1060 (which + has at least 4 outputs) was the most popular GPU. + I really wish the survey gave some indication of the + ratio of multi-display vs. single-display users, like I + already said. I've noticed it's a lot more common than + it was when I first started doing it, but I'm curious + to know how common it's gotten. People tend to scoff at + the idea until they try it and then they never go back. + + + + ** Parareda8 + Also money + + + ** silmeth + The num of cores thing is also kind of a chicken and egg + situation. I have a pretty decent PC with “only” 4 cores + i5-6600 because for games and most workloads it’s more + than enough while the saved money could be spent by me on + faster RAM and stronger GPU. + My gf’s PC has 6 cores not because having 6+ cores made + great sense at the time of buying it (nor atm IMO) but + only because the new Coffee Lake i5 CPUs increased the + cores number and her PC is about a year newer than mine. + It just makes sense, if games are the main intended + workload, to buy a better GPU even at a cost of a weaker + CPU, so I’d expect much lower number of high-end CPUs than + GPUs in the Steam survey. + + + + ** pdp10 + Hardware pricing and availability has been a roller-coaster + for the last couple of years. + It's entirely possible that we've seen the turning point + where hardware stops getting cheaper and faster as time goes + on. If so, it will take the general public a long time to + accept it, just as it took them a long time to accept that + semiconductor manufacturing made everything cheaper, better, + faster, and use less powerful as time went on. + Nobody had any reason to think that the DRAM price increases + that started slowly in 2016 would be the beginning of the end + of hardware getting cheaper, but right now it's looking like + that will have been the case. + The big opportunity going forward is from used hardware, as + the prices are largely going to reflect the past when used + hardware retained very little value after a couple of years. + Linux users aren't chained to OEM operating system licenses + and [1]activations when changing hardware . That gives Linux + users a notable advantage because they can ignore activations + and license concerns when shopping for used hardware and when + incrementally upgrading their machine, unlike Windows users. + + + + + [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3bezYerYxQ + + + ** Oxxy_moron + I moved to Linux full time about a month or so ago, been trying + to launch new steam games to just see if they work and edge up + the stats (as I have no time to play them any more). + Hope I was captured in that rise! + + ** indiepenguins + so, with 10.5mil active players, that brings us to around 375k + lnx players? and the rounding error was good for about 35k? + + ** Crespyl + Do we know if Steam Play sessions still count as Linux? At least + as far as whatever distribution stats the devs/publishers will + see? + + ** Matty_R + Yes, Steam Play counts towards Linux. + + + ** FurbyOnSteroid + AFAIK Steam doesn't count these stats if you play games on + certain operating systems. All they count is the survey you + get every now and then (APPARENTLY.. I never got one on + linux). So it shouldn't matter how you play your games. + I thought you meant the statistics of the stat page. My bad. + + + ** aaronfranke + Steam Play counts as Linux but Steam in Wine counts as + Windows. + + ** toidiboy + Not true Steam wine counts as Linux or "other" depending + on your setup. Has done for some years. It was also + mentioned earlier in this thread. + + + + ** kingpers + And that including me 😁 + + ** VisceralMonkey + Haha, oh man. + + ** not_usually_serious + nah its because I installed kubuntu on my gaming machine + + ** PolygonKiwii + Ah, I see you are also one of the 1428 and a half users of + Steam. + + + ** Leopard1907 + That happens from time to time. A few months back , opposite of + that happened. After a fix , Linux numbers dropped. + + ** mithron + Those percents are misleading: they hide a big userbase that is + greater than almost any game has. Yes, it's still a minority, + but as with minorities that also has some beneficial + implications. It's easier to get bigger traction. Also I wonder + if there is a general genre bias in Linux userbase, but that + probably cannot be researched as per-game Linux users stats are + not published. + + ** PM_ME_PC_GAME_KEYS + Those percents are misleading: they hide a big userbase that + is greater than almost any game has. + How exactly do they "hide" the GNU/Linux userbase? Just + because there's a small number (percentage) describing + something that could also be described with a big number + (count of users)? Or am I missing something? + + ** MNfrstrtD + How exactly do they "hide" the GNU/Linux userbase? + If they offer 15,000 titles, IDK how many they really do + offer, and have 20 million subscribers with .78% using + "GNU/Linux" you would think that GNU/Linux is a small + segment maybe not worth developing software for. Yet if + those .78% total userbase subscribers only play 10 titles, + and of those 10 titles, 1 or 2 titles have 30% GNU/Linux + userbase, than you have an obscured number. Especially if + those 1 or 2 titles are in the top 10 most popular games + on Steam. + Another way that .78% can be misleading is if the + GNU/Linux crowd as a whole counts for a higher ratio of + income than other players, and/or are as a whole spending + more time per week than other groups. Let's say that the + overwhelming majority of GNU/Linux users spend 22 hours a + week using Steam where as only 5% of Windows users spend + 20 hours or more playing Steam per week. + + There are other metrics that can be easily exploited. My + point is that maybe if it were reported in a more + meaningful way, such as by reporting on how GNU/Linux + gamers compare in metrics the Steam executives use to + decide whether to continue supporting or even expanding + services for the GNU/Linux market, we could all appreciate + whether .78% is really a good thing, or a sign that we + still on the fringe. + + + + ** RedDeadRevengeance + THE WHEELS OF PROGRESS TURN + + ** moonwork + Anybody else thinking the Ubuntu's probably include Linux Mint..? + + ** D49A1D852468799CAC08 + Possibly. Fedora is reported as "Linux 4.x". :) + + + ** Aka_Erus + Just thinking about how many "Windows users" are actually + running Windows Steam through wine or even using + virtualisation... + We won't get true numbers. + + ** der_pelikan + I just calculated how long it would take to take windows 96% if + we continue to grow with 31% a month: 19 months. 2020 will be + the year of total linux gaming domination ;) + + ** Truthfudge1 + i blame steamplay for this :) + + ** RougeFalconer + Time to join the 0.78 + +