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1 | TOR BROWSER GETS A REDESIGN, SWITCHES TO NEW FIREFOX QUANTUM \r |
2 | ENGINE (ZDNET.COM) \r | |
3 | \r | |
4 | Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (msmash)\r | |
5 | from the for-the-record dept.\r | |
6 | \r | |
c715ea02 | 7 | o Reference: 0102637536\r |
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8 | o News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/1651255/tor-browser-gets-a-redesign-switches-to-new-firefox-quantum-engine\r |
9 | o Source link: https://www.zdnet.com/article/tor-browser-gets-a-redesign-switches-to-new-firefox-quantum-engine/\r | |
10 | \r | |
11 | \r | |
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12 | The Tor Browser has [1]rolled out a new interface with the\r |
13 | release of v8 . From a report:\r | |
14 | \r | |
15 | > The Tor Browser has always been based on the Firefox\r | |
16 | codebase, but it lagged behind a few releases. Mozilla rolled\r | |
17 | out a major overhaul of the Firefox codebase in November 2017,\r | |
18 | with the release of Firefox 57, [2]the first release in the\r | |
19 | Firefox Quantum series . Firefox Quantum came with a new page\r | |
20 | rendering engine, a new add-ons API, and a new user interface\r | |
21 | called the Photon UI. Because these were major, code-breaking\r | |
22 | changes, it took the smaller Tor team some time to integrate\r | |
23 | all of them into the Tor Browser codebase and make sure\r | |
24 | everything worked as intended. The new Tor Browser 8, released\r | |
25 | yesterday, is now in sync with the most recent version of\r | |
26 | Firefox, the Quantum release, and also supports all of its\r | |
27 | features. This means the Tor Browser now uses the same modern\r | |
28 | Photon UI that current Firefox versions use, it supports the\r | |
29 | same speed-optimized page rendering engine and has also\r | |
30 | dropped support for the old XUL-based add-ons system for the\r | |
31 | new WebExtensions API system used by Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi,\r | |
32 | Brave, and the rest of the Chromium browsers.\r | |
33 | \r | |
34 | \r | |
35 | \r | |
36 | [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/tor-browser-gets-a-redesign-\r | |
37 | switches-to-new-firefox-quantum-engine/\r | |
38 | \r | |
39 | [2] https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/11/25/1938225/firefox-q-\r | |
40 | uantum-is-better-faster-smarter-than-chrome-says-wired\r | |
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41 | \r |
42 | \r | |
43 | ** \r | |
44 | \r | |
45 | ** Re: Isn't page render speed pretty irrelevant for (Score:1)\r | |
46 | (by Anonymous Coward)\r | |
47 | \r | |
48 | \r | |
49 | Not when you have the assets already cached. Most people\r | |
50 | donâ(TM)t just visit a site once. I was playing with it this\r | |
51 | morning. Itâ(TM)s a decent speed improvement even within the\r | |
52 | restraints of tor\r | |
53 | More impressively msmash posted an actual tech article not a\r | |
54 | biasedpolitical article for a change. Losing too many readers\r | |
55 | now I suspect\r | |
56 | \r | |
57 | \r | |
58 | ** Re: (Score:3, Insightful)\r | |
59 | (by Tough Love ( 215404 ))\r | |
60 | \r | |
61 | \r | |
62 | > It's not like a new page renderer is going to solve that.\r | |
63 | The point is to be synced up to the current Firefox codebase.\r | |
64 | Which by the way is awesome. I have all my favorite\r | |
65 | extensions running, in spite of all the FUD about the new\r | |
66 | Webextensions API.\r | |
67 | \r | |
68 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
69 | (by Tough Love ( 215404 ))\r | |
70 | \r | |
71 | \r | |
72 | >> It's not like a new page renderer is going to solve that.\r | |
73 | > The point is to be synced up to the current Firefox\r | |
74 | > codebase. Which by the way is awesome. I have all my\r | |
75 | > favorite extensions running, in spite of all the FUD about\r | |
76 | > the new Webextensions API.\r | |
77 | Why would anybody mod that comment troll?\r | |
78 | \r | |
79 | ** \r | |
80 | \r | |
81 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
82 | (by Tough Love ( 215404 ))\r | |
83 | \r | |
84 | \r | |
85 | It is FUD. Firefox's extension ecology is as vibrant\r | |
86 | as ever, but far more secure. And if somebody\r | |
87 | disagrees, they should do so instead of taking the\r | |
88 | belly slither route.\r | |
89 | \r | |
90 | ** \r | |
91 | \r | |
92 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
93 | (by theweatherelectric ( 2007596 ))\r | |
94 | \r | |
95 | \r | |
96 | You can use the built-in [1]Reader View\r | |
97 | [mozilla.org] for a lot of pages, but it's not\r | |
98 | available for all pages. It depends on the\r | |
99 | page structure.\r | |
100 | \r | |
101 | \r | |
102 | \r | |
103 | \r | |
104 | [1]\r | |
105 | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-r-\r | |
106 | eader-view-clutter-free-web-pages\r | |
107 | \r | |
108 | \r | |
109 | \r | |
110 | \r | |
111 | \r | |
112 | \r | |
113 | \r | |
114 | ** Tested today (Score:1)\r | |
115 | (by Anonymous Coward)\r | |
116 | \r | |
117 | \r | |
118 | First impression is I like it. Video playback seems sluggish but\r | |
119 | overall positive. Hopefully any NSA addons did not make the cut.\r | |
120 | \r | |
121 | ** Who can afford to run a tor exit node ? (Score:4, Interesting)\r | |
122 | (by dargaud ( 518470 ))\r | |
123 | \r | |
124 | \r | |
125 | I really wonder that. I support tor. I've never actually used it\r | |
126 | because I don't have much to hide, but I understand that other\r | |
127 | do. So I ran a tor relay (not exit) as my way of supporting the\r | |
128 | project for a while; from my home adsl. After a while I noticed\r | |
129 | some weird stuff going on. Some websites (important ones)\r | |
130 | wouldn't load properly. Emails sent would bounce or simply never\r | |
131 | reach their destination. After looking at the problem I found\r | |
132 | that my IP was on some minor blacklists. I stopped the relay and\r | |
133 | after 2 days I was off the blacklists. Hence my question, if\r | |
134 | running a simple relay gets you blacklisted, what does running\r | |
135 | an exit point does to your other internet usage from that IP ?\r | |
136 | Who can afford separate IPs besides institutions ? So who is\r | |
137 | really really running them ? Certainly not private citizens...\r | |
138 | \r | |
139 | ** Re: (Score:3)\r | |
140 | (by ftobin ( 48814 ))\r | |
141 | \r | |
142 | \r | |
143 | You can run something like a Linode instance pretty cheaply\r | |
144 | and get more IPs. I've run a highly restricted exit node in\r | |
145 | the past (low bandwidth, select ports), and I've had the same\r | |
146 | problems with you if I try to use my Linode as a web proxy.\r | |
147 | My most recent problem has been with Shut Up and Sit Down RSS\r | |
148 | feeds, which are blocking my host :-\\r | |
149 | \r | |
150 | ** Re:Who can afford to run a tor exit node ? (Score:4,\r | |
151 | Informative)\r | |
152 | (by tlhIngan ( 30335 ))\r | |
153 | \r | |
154 | \r | |
155 | > You can run something like a Linode instance pretty\r | |
156 | > cheaply and get more IPs. I've run a highly restricted\r | |
157 | > exit node in the past (low bandwidth, select ports), and\r | |
158 | > I've had the same problems with you if I try to use my\r | |
159 | > Linode as a web proxy. My most recent problem has been\r | |
160 | > with Shut Up and Sit Down RSS feeds, which are blocking my\r | |
161 | > host :-\\r | |
162 | And that's just because no matter how noble the cause,\r | |
163 | idiots will just ruin it. You don't need a list of Tor\r | |
164 | exit nodes because if you run a reasonably popular\r | |
165 | website, you'll find out quite rapidly what they are and\r | |
166 | auto-blacklist t hem.\r | |
167 | It's why CDNs like CloudFlare block Tor - the abuse from\r | |
168 | Tor exit nodes ensures that whatever trigger you use,\r | |
169 | it'll be triggered and you'll end up blocking it. It's not\r | |
170 | like it's done deliberately - you don't have to seek out\r | |
171 | new Tor exit nodes. They just make themselves known.\r | |
172 | I'd even venture to say if you want to allow Tor traffic,\r | |
173 | you have to whitelist them specifically It's not that Tor\r | |
174 | is bad, it's just that it's got a bunch of bad actors that\r | |
175 | really do ruin it for those who need it.\r | |
176 | \r | |
177 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
178 | (by ftobin ( 48814 ))\r | |
179 | \r | |
180 | \r | |
181 | > And that's just because no matter how noble the cause,\r | |
182 | > idiots will just ruin it. You don't need a list of Tor\r | |
183 | > exit nodes because if you run a reasonably popular\r | |
184 | > website, you'll find out quite rapidly what they are\r | |
185 | > and auto-blacklist t hem.\r | |
186 | I should mention that I don't and never did allow\r | |
187 | access on port 80 or 443, yet Shut up and Sit Down's\r | |
188 | RSS feed blocks me. There is no way my host was causing\r | |
189 | issues for their site, with the 20 KB/s of bandwidth I\r | |
190 | allowed. Additionally, I only allowed ports like IRC,\r | |
191 | DN\r | |
192 | \r | |
193 | \r | |
194 | \r | |
195 | \r | |
196 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
197 | (by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) *)\r | |
198 | \r | |
199 | \r | |
200 | Check out the Library Freedom Project.\r | |
201 | \r | |
202 | \r | |
203 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
204 | (by AHuxley ( 892839 ))\r | |
205 | \r | |
206 | \r | |
207 | Governments.\r | |
208 | \r | |
209 | \r | |
210 | ** \r | |
211 | \r | |
212 | ** Re: (Score:2)\r | |
213 | (by AHuxley ( 892839 ))\r | |
214 | \r | |
215 | \r | |
216 | NSA, CIA, GCHQ did not worry about anonymous communication.\r | |
217 | Police with lots of cash per investigation at a national\r | |
218 | level don't worry about anonymous communication anymore.\r | |
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221 | \r |