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+ An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: <i>The gut microbiome is the sum total of all the micro-organisms living in a person's gut, and has been shown to play a huge role in human health. New research has found probiotics -- usually taken as supplements or in foods such as yoghurt, kimchi or kefir -- <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/06/probiotics-not-as-beneficial-for-gut-health-as-previously-thought">can hinder a patient's gut microbiome from returning to normal after a course of antibiotics</a>, and that different people respond to probiotics in dramatically different ways. In the <a href="https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(18)31102-4">first of two papers</a> published in the journal Cell, researchers performed endoscopies and colonoscopies to sample and study the gut microbiomes of people who took antibiotics before and after probiotic consumption. Another group were given samples of their own gut microbiomes collected before consuming antibiotics. The researchers found the microbiomes of those who had taken the probiotics had suffered a "very severe disturbance." "Once the probiotics had colonized the gut, they completely inhibited the return of the indigenous microbiome which was disrupted during antibiotic treatment," said Eran Elinav, an immunologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel and lead author on the studies.
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+ <div id="comment_body_57267564"><p>What idiot thinks that if you give pills of a specific biome you will get something BESIDES that specific biome???? Look, if you take probiotic pills, you are replacing your normal biome WITH the biome of the pills.</p><p>That was the presumed GOAL of taking the pills. The fact that your biome change is the thing you were trying to do, that's why you take the pills.</p><p>If you have a blue car, and then paint it with red paint you are an idiot if you complain that the car is no longer red.</p><p>There are lots of good reas<span class="substr"> </span></p></div>
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