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I have a 120Gb cache for a 2Tb drive and so far it's only about 60% utilized."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"A few months of that without touching the Win10 drive I still have sitting there and I can drop the cache, add the 1Tb of space to my volume, expand my file system, put the cache back on and have a 3Tb seamless logical volume to play with. :)"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":2,"parentId":"t1_e76r0jy","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EFor me it is both. But that is because when I dumped Win10 off my gaming rig I purposely went the LVM route so I could clear off my largely unused SSD and make it a \u003Ca href=\"https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2014/05/22/using-lvms-new-cache-feature/\"\u003Ecache for my HDD.\u003C/a\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EThe problem I had before was that I would get a game, put it on the SSD for fast loading, then move on to another game and not swap the games out from the SSD. With LVM using the SSD as a cache anything I use often gets loaded onto the SSD. If it ever fills up stuff I\u0026#39;ve stopped using gets removed from SSD. No need for me to manage it manually.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003ERecently it has been Warframe and World of Warcraft that take up the bulk of my time. From boot to shutdown about 80-90% of my file-system calls hit the SSD. I have a 120Gb cache for a 2Tb drive and so far it\u0026#39;s only about 60% utilized.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EA few months of that without touching the Win10 drive I still have sitting there and I can drop the cache, add the 1Tb of space to my volume, expand my file system, put the cache back on and have a 3Tb seamless logical volume to play with. :)\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_4bx73","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76wmpm/","created":1538705141,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77brxw":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"I mean sure. And there are plenty of benchmarks to show it. I just think \"10 times\" is a bit excessive and random. I dunno. Am not trying to crap on your joke either.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77brxw","isDeleted":false,"author":"MJBrune","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"I mean sure. And there are plenty of benchmarks to show it. I just think \"10 times\" is a bit excessive and random. I dunno. Am not trying to crap on your joke either."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":0,"parentId":"t1_e77b813","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI mean sure. And there are plenty of benchmarks to show it. I just think \u0026quot;10 times\u0026quot; is a bit excessive and random. I dunno. Am not trying to crap on your joke either.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_5126n","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77brxw/","created":1538724615,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e7764uk":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"It’s because windows search and windows compatibility telemetry are currently using 100% or ur hard disk time","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e7764uk","isDeleted":false,"author":"robot_rover","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"It’s because windows search and windows compatibility telemetry are currently using 100% or ur hard disk time"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":3,"parentId":"t1_e75rze5","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIt’s because windows search and windows compatibility telemetry are currently using 100% or ur hard disk time\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_yy1fz","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e7764uk/","created":1538715200,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76a8cv":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Linux is pretty good when it comes to utilizing (otherwise) free memory, using it to cache (\"buffer\") parts of your drives. Just try to do an reading-intensive I/O task, like `find / -name stdio.h`. The first may take a while, but then just rerun the command. It's much quicker, because Linux cached (in this case) the file structure the first time, and now can just quickly grab it from there again for the second time.\n\nWant to see the caching of files (and not structures) in action? Find any medium sized file (about a gigabyte in size). Now, call `md5sum path/to/the/file` on it. Call it again afterwards. It should be much faster.\n\nDon't have such a file handy? You can generate a \"large.file\" using `dd if=/dev/zero of=large.file bs=4096 count=262144`. Do note that by doing this, Linux will already have (all or parts of) the file cached, the difference between both calls should be much smaller.\n\nA much more file-centric system basically requires a good I/O cache to get good performance. Crucial for slow spinning drives (or worse, magnetic drives), but still really important for SSDs.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76a8cv","isDeleted":false,"author":"Craftkorb","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Linux is pretty good when it comes to utilizing (otherwise) free memory, using it to cache (\"buffer\") parts of your drives. Just try to do an reading-intensive I/O task, like find / -name stdio.h. The first may take a while, but then just rerun the command. It's much quicker, because Linux cached (in this case) the file structure the first time, and now can just quickly grab it from there again for the second time.","f":[[64,176,20]]}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Want to see the caching of files (and not structures) in action? Find any medium sized file (about a gigabyte in size). Now, call md5sum path/to/the/file on it. Call it again afterwards. It should be much faster.","f":[[64,132,23]]}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Don't have such a file handy? You can generate a \"large.file\" using dd if=/dev/zero of=large.file bs=4096 count=262144. Do note that by doing this, Linux will already have (all or parts of) the file cached, the difference between both calls should be much smaller.","f":[[64,69,50]]}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"A much more file-centric system basically requires a good I/O cache to get good performance. Crucial for slow spinning drives (or worse, magnetic drives), but still really important for SSDs."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":13,"parentId":"t1_e75rze5","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003ELinux is pretty good when it comes to utilizing (otherwise) free memory, using it to cache (\u0026quot;buffer\u0026quot;) parts of your drives. Just try to do an reading-intensive I/O task, like \u003Ccode\u003Efind / -name stdio.h\u003C/code\u003E. The first may take a while, but then just rerun the command. It\u0026#39;s much quicker, because Linux cached (in this case) the file structure the first time, and now can just quickly grab it from there again for the second time.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EWant to see the caching of files (and not structures) in action? Find any medium sized file (about a gigabyte in size). Now, call \u003Ccode\u003Emd5sum path/to/the/file\u003C/code\u003E on it. Call it again afterwards. It should be much faster.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EDon\u0026#39;t have such a file handy? You can generate a \u0026quot;large.file\u0026quot; using \u003Ccode\u003Edd if=/dev/zero of=large.file bs=4096 count=262144\u003C/code\u003E. Do note that by doing this, Linux will already have (all or parts of) the file cached, the difference between both calls should be much smaller.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EA much more file-centric system basically requires a good I/O cache to get good performance. Crucial for slow spinning drives (or worse, magnetic drives), but still really important for SSDs.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_8ubew","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76a8cv/","created":1538684945,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77hlii":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Huh, I just figured that Windows apps would bundle their UI libs, but I guess that makes sense.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77hlii","isDeleted":false,"author":"one_is_the_loneliest","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Huh, I just figured that Windows apps would bundle their UI libs, but I guess that makes sense."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":1,"parentId":"t1_e77dwiq","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EHuh, I just figured that Windows apps would bundle their UI libs, but I guess that makes sense.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_r62aul9","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77hlii/","created":1538737162,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e765cxh":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Yesterday I updated a Win10 laptop that had been sitting on a shelf for two years. I could have installed a dozens systems with \\*buntu using a online install from a mini boot image, with all major apps installed and updated, in the time it took Win10 to finish its updates, update reattempts, and dozen or so reboots. What's worse is that most of the Win10 updates were either for the OS or Office only. Any Linux package manager updates nearly everything and Steam handles most of the rest.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e765cxh","isDeleted":false,"author":"jhansonxi","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Yesterday I updated a Win10 laptop that had been sitting on a shelf for two years. I could have installed a dozens systems with *buntu using a online install from a mini boot image, with all major apps installed and updated, in the time it took Win10 to finish its updates, update reattempts, and dozen or so reboots. 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Any Linux package manager updates nearly everything and Steam handles most of the rest.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_9jesk","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e765cxh/","created":1538681017,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75spfz":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Can confirm, witcher 3 and GTA sa loading on Linux is unbelievably faster than windows.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e75spfz","isDeleted":false,"author":"ihjyuhgyhhg","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Can confirm, witcher 3 and GTA sa loading on Linux is unbelievably faster than windows."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":22,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003ECan confirm, witcher 3 and GTA sa loading on Linux is unbelievably faster than windows.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_1uyu913b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e75spfz/","created":1538671002,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76r0jy":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"On the first load, or subsequent loads, or all loads? Because Linux generally seems faster to load all games on subsequent loads at least, but also sometimes on first loads as well.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76r0jy","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"On the first load, or subsequent loads, or all loads? Because Linux generally seems faster to load all games on subsequent loads at least, but also sometimes on first loads as well."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":1,"parentId":"t1_e768fts","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EOn the first load, or subsequent loads, or all loads? Because Linux generally seems faster to load all games on subsequent loads at least, but also sometimes on first loads as well.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76r0jy/","created":1538700053,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76rfbs":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Which is interesting considering those are windows games running in wine.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76rfbs","isDeleted":false,"author":"sixsupersonic","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Which is interesting considering those are windows games running in wine."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":6,"parentId":"t1_e75spfz","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EWhich is interesting considering those are windows games running in wine.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_ixyr9","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76rfbs/","created":1538700423,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77b813":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Linux loading times being faster for many games, especially during 2nd+ loads, is 100% confirmed. As for this particular game, other users have confirmed the same thing within this very post.\n\nSo, while wanting evidence is amiable, we already have it.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77b813","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Linux loading times being faster for many games, especially during 2nd+ loads, is 100% confirmed. As for this particular game, other users have confirmed the same thing within this very post."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"So, while wanting evidence is amiable, we already have it."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":3,"parentId":"t1_e77aa0c","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003ELinux loading times being faster for many games, especially during 2nd+ loads, is 100% confirmed. As for this particular game, other users have confirmed the same thing within this very post.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003ESo, while wanting evidence is amiable, we already have it.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77b813/","created":1538723508,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75ttvs":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Better filesystem's, better IO scheduling, better scheduling in general, less chances of some stupid ass av to clog up all the io is what I've found.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e75ttvs","isDeleted":false,"author":"pwgen-sy100","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Better filesystem's, better IO scheduling, better scheduling in general, less chances of some stupid ass av to clog up all the io is what I've found."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":75,"parentId":"t1_e75rze5","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EBetter filesystem\u0026#39;s, better IO scheduling, better scheduling in general, less chances of some stupid ass av to clog up all the io is what I\u0026#39;ve found.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_9lvw03c","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e75ttvs/","created":1538671871,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77ig2x":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"\u003E As long as you have a backup somewhere of all your important stuff! Since HDDs are big and cheap I prefer just using one big one. Hell, there are 10TB ones out now and higher.\n\nThese are the two largest drives I have. I used to have Win10 on the 1TB and used the 2TB to record gaming videos. When I wanted to switch I realized I could just drop Linux on the 2TB drive and have the 1TB Win10 to fall back to if my litmus test for Linux wasn't passed this time around (Warframe \u0026 WoW being playable).\n\nBeing able to merge the 1TB into the file system is just an added bonus for when I'm ready to get rid of the safety blanket. Been a month and I think I've thought about booting to that drive... once? But the desire to try Destiny 2 again passed. :)","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77ig2x","isDeleted":false,"author":"Greydmiyu","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"As long as you have a backup somewhere of all your important stuff! Since HDDs are big and cheap I prefer just using one big one. Hell, there are 10TB ones out now and higher."}],"e":"par"}],"e":"blockquote"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"These are the two largest drives I have. I used to have Win10 on the 1TB and used the 2TB to record gaming videos. When I wanted to switch I realized I could just drop Linux on the 2TB drive and have the 1TB Win10 to fall back to if my litmus test for Linux wasn't passed this time around (Warframe \u0026 WoW being playable)."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Being able to merge the 1TB into the file system is just an added bonus for when I'm ready to get rid of the safety blanket. Been a month and I think I've thought about booting to that drive... once? But the desire to try Destiny 2 again passed. :)"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":1,"parentId":"t1_e77bjux","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cblockquote\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAs long as you have a backup somewhere of all your important stuff! Since HDDs are big and cheap I prefer just using one big one. Hell, there are 10TB ones out now and higher.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/blockquote\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EThese are the two largest drives I have. I used to have Win10 on the 1TB and used the 2TB to record gaming videos. When I wanted to switch I realized I could just drop Linux on the 2TB drive and have the 1TB Win10 to fall back to if my litmus test for Linux wasn\u0026#39;t passed this time around (Warframe \u0026amp; WoW being playable).\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EBeing able to merge the 1TB into the file system is just an added bonus for when I\u0026#39;m ready to get rid of the safety blanket. Been a month and I think I\u0026#39;ve thought about booting to that drive... once? But the desire to try Destiny 2 again passed. :)\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_4bx73","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77ig2x/","created":1538738553,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e777gt8":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Also what appears to be more aggressive caching, and less bloat to burn through memory that would otherwise be cached.\n\nI've note looked too carefully at it, but Windows machines usually appear to have a whole lot of free memory, and relatively little cached.\n\nMeanwhile, my laptop has 10GB of \"stuff\" just floating around in memory in case I happen to want it.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e777gt8","isDeleted":false,"author":"zebediah49","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Also what appears to be more aggressive caching, and less bloat to burn through memory that would otherwise be cached."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"I've note looked too carefully at it, but Windows machines usually appear to have a whole lot of free memory, and relatively little cached."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Meanwhile, my laptop has 10GB of \"stuff\" just floating around in memory in case I happen to want it."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":3,"parentId":"t1_e75ttvs","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EAlso what appears to be more aggressive caching, and less bloat to burn through memory that would otherwise be cached.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EI\u0026#39;ve note looked too carefully at it, but Windows machines usually appear to have a whole lot of free memory, and relatively little cached.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EMeanwhile, my laptop has 10GB of \u0026quot;stuff\u0026quot; just floating around in memory in case I happen to want it.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_bxx3a","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e777gt8/","created":1538717081,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e769ggl":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"This. On loading screen there is a lot of memory allocation and thread creation and so on and this is where linux is faster.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e769ggl","isDeleted":false,"author":"piotrj3","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"This. On loading screen there is a lot of memory allocation and thread creation and so on and this is where linux is faster."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":9,"parentId":"t1_e767sq6","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EThis. On loading screen there is a lot of memory allocation and thread creation and so on and this is where linux is faster.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_n0dy3","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e769ggl/","created":1538684336,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76h0z6":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Yeah , i also miss.\n\nHis enthusiasm was really something else.\n\nRight after doing Doom 2016 via Wine video , he gone mute.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76h0z6","isDeleted":false,"author":"Leopard1907","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Yeah , i also miss."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"His enthusiasm was really something else."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Right after doing Doom 2016 via Wine video , he gone mute."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":5,"parentId":"t1_e76grjl","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EYeah , i also miss.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EHis enthusiasm was really something else.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003ERight after doing Doom 2016 via Wine video , he gone mute.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_14ccj4","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76h0z6/","created":1538690740,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76mhhn":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"ITT - many apps and games do load faster on Linux.\n\nThis seems like something worth promoting to game devs as a benefit of developing on Linux. How much time must they spend staring at their own loading screen when tweaking and testing their game? ","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76mhhn","isDeleted":false,"author":"mykro76","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"ITT - many apps and games do load faster on Linux."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"This seems like something worth promoting to game devs as a benefit of developing on Linux. How much time must they spend staring at their own loading screen when tweaking and testing their game?"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":8,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EITT - many apps and games do load faster on Linux.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EThis seems like something worth promoting to game devs as a benefit of developing on Linux. How much time must they spend staring at their own loading screen when tweaking and testing their game? \u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_9r6cn","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76mhhn/","created":1538695787,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e778dr8":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"The odd thing is that at one point in time I knew most of that, but it's the sort of trivia that if one doesn't engage with it it just vanishes from memory without notice.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e778dr8","isDeleted":false,"author":"Tom2Die","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"The odd thing is that at one point in time I knew most of that, but it's the sort of trivia that if one doesn't engage with it it just vanishes from memory without notice."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":1,"parentId":"t1_e76w4v3","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EThe odd thing is that at one point in time I knew most of that, but it\u0026#39;s the sort of trivia that if one doesn\u0026#39;t engage with it it just vanishes from memory without notice.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_5eogw","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e778dr8/","created":1538718472,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75pfep":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Now, maybe they're not comparing fresh load to fresh load, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if it was true when comparing second+ load to second+ load as Linux has always shined very brightly when it came to caching games to RAM better than Windows. Secondary loads in most of the games I've seen load faster than on Windows.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e75pfep","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Now, maybe they're not comparing fresh load to fresh load, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if it was true when comparing second+ load to second+ load as Linux has always shined very brightly when it came to caching games to RAM better than Windows. Secondary loads in most of the games I've seen load faster than on Windows."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":36,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003ENow, maybe they\u0026#39;re not comparing fresh load to fresh load, but it wouldn\u0026#39;t at all surprise me if it was true when comparing second+ load to second+ load as Linux has always shined very brightly when it came to caching games to RAM better than Windows. Secondary loads in most of the games I\u0026#39;ve seen load faster than on Windows.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e75pfep/","created":1538668395,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76hgss":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Yep, sad, wonder what happened to him. Sounds like it may have been a side project while he was in school.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76hgss","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Yep, sad, wonder what happened to him. Sounds like it may have been a side project while he was in school."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":2,"parentId":"t1_e76h0z6","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EYep, sad, wonder what happened to him. Sounds like it may have been a side project while he was in school.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76hgss/","created":1538691145,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75w4gx":{"editedAt":1538674278,"bodyMD":"Not surprised, I have an old X-Plane benchmark where you can see also a striking difference in loading times (link at the respective test): \nhttps://youtu.be/M5ygXe9fWR4?t=12 \nI also see very long loading times on Windows for Arma3, Rust and a couple of others, so yeah, not surprised. \n \nEdit TL;DW: X-Plane scenery and all loading in 00:56 min for SteamOS and 02:33 min for Windows.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e75w4gx","isDeleted":false,"author":"airspeedmph","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Not surprised, I have an old X-Plane benchmark where you can see also a striking difference in loading times (link at the respective test):"},{"e":"br"},{"e":"link","u":"https://youtu.be/M5ygXe9fWR4?t=12","t":"https://youtu.be/M5ygXe9fWR4?t=12"},{"e":"br"},{"e":"text","t":"I also see very long loading times on Windows for Arma3, Rust and a couple of others, so yeah, not surprised."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Edit TL;DW: X-Plane scenery and all loading in 00:56 min for SteamOS and 02:33 min for Windows."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":8,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003ENot surprised, I have an old X-Plane benchmark where you can see also a striking difference in loading times (link at the respective test):\u003Cbr/\u003E\n\u003Ca href=\"https://youtu.be/M5ygXe9fWR4?t=12\"\u003Ehttps://youtu.be/M5ygXe9fWR4?t=12\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cbr/\u003E\nI also see very long loading times on Windows for Arma3, Rust and a couple of others, so yeah, not surprised. \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EEdit TL;DW: X-Plane scenery and all loading in 00:56 min for SteamOS and 02:33 min for Windows.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_r5znf","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e75w4gx/","created":1538673649,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76f8t0":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Yeah that's probably mostly because you have gtk libs in shared memory from either other open apps or even your entire DE, while GIMP is the only thing that needs them on Windows.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76f8t0","isDeleted":false,"author":"pooerh","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Yeah that's probably mostly because you have gtk libs in shared memory from either other open apps or even your entire DE, while GIMP is the only thing that needs them on Windows."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":10,"parentId":"t1_e75zf5w","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EYeah that\u0026#39;s probably mostly because you have gtk libs in shared memory from either other open apps or even your entire DE, while GIMP is the only thing that needs them on Windows.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_5ibyi","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76f8t0/","created":1538689159,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76epfr":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Well , that is a known perk of Linux \n\nOnce upon a time PenguinRecordings ( a Youtube channel ) was doing Linux game benchmarks.\n\nHe was always comparing load times on Linux vs Windows. Let it be Feral ports or something else , always Linux was faster one.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76epfr","isDeleted":false,"author":"Leopard1907","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Well , that is a known perk of Linux"}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Once upon a time PenguinRecordings ( a Youtube channel ) was doing Linux game benchmarks."}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"He was always comparing load times on Linux vs Windows. Let it be Feral ports or something else , always Linux was faster one."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":8,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EWell , that is a known perk of Linux \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EOnce upon a time PenguinRecordings ( a Youtube channel ) was doing Linux game benchmarks.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EHe was always comparing load times on Linux vs Windows. 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Most Windows apps are written using either Win32 API or .net and these aren't bundled with apps, these usually start up pretty quickly.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77dwiq","isDeleted":false,"author":"pooerh","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Whole UI libraries like gtk or Qt are pretty big actually, which is why they usually start slower on Windows than on Linux. Most Windows apps are written using either Win32 API or .net and these aren't bundled with apps, these usually start up pretty quickly."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":4,"parentId":"t1_e76rhnk","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EWhole UI libraries like gtk or Qt are pretty big actually, which is why they usually start slower on Windows than on Linux. Most Windows apps are written using either Win32 API or .net and these aren\u0026#39;t bundled with apps, these usually start up pretty quickly.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_5ibyi","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77dwiq/","created":1538729294,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77bl42":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Cool, and sounds fun, playing together is always best! :3","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77bl42","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Cool, and sounds fun, playing together is always best! :3"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":1,"parentId":"t1_e76vju0","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003ECool, and sounds fun, playing together is always best! :3\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77bl42/","created":1538724228,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75rze5":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"ive always noticed that stuff loads much faster on Linux compared to windows, can someone explain why?","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e75rze5","isDeleted":false,"author":"zee220","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"ive always noticed that stuff loads much faster on Linux compared to windows, can someone explain why?"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":41,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003Eive always noticed that stuff loads much faster on Linux compared to windows, can someone explain why?\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_10sky8","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e75rze5/","created":1538670436,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77bjux":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"\u003E The problem I had before was that I would get a game, put it on the SSD for fast loading, then move on to another game and not swap the games out from the SSD. With LVM using the SSD as a cache anything I use often gets loaded onto the SSD. If it ever fills up stuff I've stopped using gets removed from SSD. No need for me to manage it manually.\n\nI was about to ask wtf the point of this would be, lol, but that clears things up, thanks!\n\nI guess since RAM is more expensive than a SSD, having the SSD cache things makes sense as long as RAM is still used first and foremost for file caching.\n\n\u003E have a 3Tb seamless logical volume to play with\n\nAs long as you have a backup somewhere of all your important stuff! Since HDDs are big and cheap I prefer just using one big one. Hell, there are 10TB ones out now and higher.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77bjux","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"The problem I had before was that I would get a game, put it on the SSD for fast loading, then move on to another game and not swap the games out from the SSD. With LVM using the SSD as a cache anything I use often gets loaded onto the SSD. If it ever fills up stuff I've stopped using gets removed from SSD. 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Hell, there are 10TB ones out now and higher."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":2,"parentId":"t1_e76wmpm","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cblockquote\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe problem I had before was that I would get a game, put it on the SSD for fast loading, then move on to another game and not swap the games out from the SSD. With LVM using the SSD as a cache anything I use often gets loaded onto the SSD. If it ever fills up stuff I\u0026#39;ve stopped using gets removed from SSD. No need for me to manage it manually.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/blockquote\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EI was about to ask wtf the point of this would be, lol, but that clears things up, thanks!\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EI guess since RAM is more expensive than a SSD, having the SSD cache things makes sense as long as RAM is still used first and foremost for file caching.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cblockquote\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003Ehave a 3Tb seamless logical volume to play with\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/blockquote\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EAs long as you have a backup somewhere of all your important stuff! Since HDDs are big and cheap I prefer just using one big one. Hell, there are 10TB ones out now and higher.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e77bjux/","created":1538724156,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75s3y2":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Both the Linux storage I/O subsystem and the Linux filesystems themselves are known to be faster than Windows NTFS.\n\nOn the majority of modern games you don't see much of a difference, though, because the assets are packed into ordered binary files and then memory-mapped. 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Linux is future.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_1uyu913b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e777nc9/","created":1538717348,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76rhnk":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Don't Windows apps typically bundle their own deps, so you'll end up with several of the same dep in memory at a time?\n\nHowever, libraries are typically pretty small, so I'm guessing it doesn't explain most of the difference, but it's certainly a contributor.","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76rhnk","isDeleted":false,"author":"one_is_the_loneliest","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Don't Windows apps typically bundle their own deps, so you'll end up with several of the same dep in memory at a time?"}],"e":"par"},{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"However, libraries are typically pretty small, so I'm guessing it doesn't explain most of the difference, but it's certainly a contributor."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":4,"parentId":"t1_e76f8t0","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EDon\u0026#39;t Windows apps typically bundle their own deps, so you\u0026#39;ll end up with several of the same dep in memory at a time?\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EHowever, libraries are typically pretty small, so I\u0026#39;m guessing it doesn\u0026#39;t explain most of the difference, but it\u0026#39;s certainly a contributor.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_r62aul9","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76rhnk/","created":1538700482,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76oahs":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"And drop 20 bits from the word?\n\n","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76oahs","isDeleted":false,"author":"pdp10","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"And drop 20 bits from the word?"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":4,"parentId":"t1_e76mxfp","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EAnd drop 20 bits from the word?\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_znec3","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76oahs/","created":1538697531,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75tb6o":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"I noticed a big improvement in FFXV on Linux vs Windows as well. 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Hopefully they get it working for everyone soon. \u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_6u18j","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76ailt/","created":1538685177,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e76qmul":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"Good point!","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e76qmul","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"Good point!"}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":true,"isAdmin":false,"score":1,"parentId":"t1_e76mhhn","subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EGood point!\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_d3t5b","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e76qmul/","created":1538699721,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e75sps8":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"If it only would load the actual missions and not crash on the mission title...","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e75sps8","isDeleted":false,"author":"ThenewLore","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"If it only would load the actual missions and not crash on the mission title..."}],"e":"par"}]},"type":"rtjson","rteMode":"richtext"},"isOp":false,"isAdmin":false,"score":5,"parentId":null,"subredditId":"t5_2r2u0","body":"\u003Cdiv class=\"md\"\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIf it only would load the actual missions and not crash on the mission title...\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/div\u003E","collapsedReason":null,"collapsed":false,"sendReplies":true,"goldCount":0,"gildings":{"gid1":0,"gid2":0,"gid3":0},"authorId":"t2_t03oizi","postId":"t3_9ld2i1","permalink":"/r/linux_gaming/comments/9ld2i1/battletech_linux_beta_loading_ten_times_faster/e75sps8/","created":1538671010,"distinguishType":null,"isSaved":false,"voteState":0,"postTitle":null},"t1_e77c0ce":{"editedAt":null,"bodyMD":"I don't know how accurate \"10\" is hehe, but some of the benchmark videos show huge differences, so I totally get someone say \"10 times faster\". But we don't have to be overly anal, they just mean it's \"much faster\" I'm sure, and that much is confirmed.\n\nNothing against anal. :3","isStickied":false,"isMod":false,"postAuthor":null,"isScoreHidden":false,"id":"t1_e77c0ce","isDeleted":false,"author":"Swiftpaw22","media":{"richtextContent":{"document":[{"c":[{"e":"text","t":"I don't know how accurate \"10\" is hehe, but some of the benchmark videos show huge differences, so I totally get someone say \"10 times faster\". 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