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1 MOUSE ACCELERATION IS A REAL PROBLEM IN LINUX. \r
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3 [linux_gaming] 2018-10-09_16-00\r
4\r
5 o Reference: 2018-10-09_16-00_Mouse_acceleration_is_a\r
6 o News link: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/9lfqhh/mouse_acceleration_is_a_real_problem_in_linux/\r
7 o Source link: \r
8\r
9\r
10 All Linux distributions I have used required me to tweak the\r
11 mouse settings before it was usable for gaming.\r
12 \r
13 Stock Ubuntu for example comes with mouse acceleration enabled\r
14 by default and there is no option to turn it off. WTF?\r
15 \r
16 Even on touchpads mouse acceleration feels like its doing more\r
17 harm than good and I dont like it :(\r
18 \r
19 edit: Instead of giving me gold please donate the money to a\r
20 charity or GNU developers.\r
21\r
22\r
23 ** TurnDownForTendies\r
24 Despite the downvotes this is a legitimate complaint. I've never\r
25 understood why this isn't extremely easy to disable.\r
26\r
27 ** KarKraKr\r
28 There even was a time when libinput didn't support flat\r
29 acceleration at all while some distros (namely arch) had\r
30 already moved to it. I downgraded that package immediately.\r
31 If I remember correctly the devs were quite dismissive of\r
32 this and didn't think it was a high priority, because who\r
33 doesn't want mouse acceleration? And isn't setting it to some\r
34 really low value just like turning it off?\r
35 No, it's not and yes I notice it immediately. I refuse to buy\r
36 many mice because they can't track without some leftover\r
37 acceleration ffs. With Linux being more and more viable as a\r
38 gaming platform this just can't be ignored. I know people who\r
39 tried switching to Linux because they heard CSGO, the only\r
40 game they ever play, runs. They were just as stupefied as\r
41 you'd expect them to be that there was no option for\r
42 disabling mouse acceleration completely and that they had to\r
43 manually edit config files. "Yeah, Linux is really easy these\r
44 days, uhh, except for that I guess"\r
45\r
46\r
47 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
48 If you use Gnome or especially KDE, it is extremely easy to\r
49 disable. Just go to the settings menu and disable it.\r
50\r
51 ** aaronfranke\r
52 In XFCE there's a menu for changing the acceleration\r
53 amount, but it doesn't do anything if I set it to zero or\r
54 ten.\r
55\r
56 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
57 [1]https://bugzilla.xfce.org/\r
58 \r
59 \r
60 \r
61 \r
62 [1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/\r
63\r
64 ** aaronfranke\r
65 [1]https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8593\r
66 [2]https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140\r
67 No attention from developers for over half a decade.\r
68 \r
69 \r
70 \r
71 \r
72 [1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8593\r
73 [2] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140\r
74\r
75 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
76 That's pretty shocking. If you're not resource\r
77 limited, I'd consider moving to KDE since they\r
78 actually seem to care about what the users want\r
79 and need.\r
80\r
81 ** aaronfranke\r
82 Not shocking to me. Ubuntu and Wine both have\r
83 bugs over a decade old. I just checked and KDE\r
84 has open bugs from 2002. Tends to happen with\r
85 open-source projects. [1]The oldest 500 bugs\r
86 are from 2002 to 2005 .\r
87 XFCE's oldest bug is from 2006. Gnome's oldest\r
88 bug is from 2004. The Linux kernel's oldest\r
89 bug is from 2005. Wine's oldest bug is from\r
90 2000.\r
91 \r
92 \r
93 \r
94 \r
95 [1]\r
96 https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__-\r
97 open__&no_redirect=1&order=changeddate%2Cprior-\r
98 ity%2Cbug_severity&query_format=specific\r
99\r
100 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
101 It's shocking considering the kind of bug\r
102 it is.\r
103\r
104\r
105 ** Greydmiyu\r
106 Most might not be valid any longer. I was\r
107 putzing around with Dokuwiki at work, it\r
108 didn't install cleanly from the package. So\r
109 I checked the bugtracker for the package.\r
110 Oldest bug for Dokuwiki is filed against\r
111 8.10. That version isn't even supported any\r
112 more (16.04LTS is the oldest, I think). On\r
113 top of that the specific bug is fixed. I\r
114 know it's fixed. The current package isn't\r
115 missing the symlink that bug says is\r
116 missing.\r
117\r
118\r
119 ** energybeing\r
120 Tends to happen with open-source projects.\r
121 Tends to happen more with closed source\r
122 projects as there is no way to report or\r
123 track bugs open to the public. Windows 7\r
124 was still running 16 bit dos... Think about\r
125 how old the bugs must be in that pile of\r
126 trash.\r
127 One of them led to a full privilege\r
128 escalation.\r
129\r
130\r
131 ** the_Madman\r
132 That's an issue with bug triaging, not bug\r
133 fixing.\r
134\r
135 ** aaronfranke\r
136 The user doesn't care though.\r
137\r
138 ** the_Madman\r
139 That's correct. They don't care about\r
140 bug reports against software that\r
141 doesn't have the bug anymore.\r
142\r
143\r
144\r
145\r
146\r
147\r
148\r
149\r
150 ** hatestetris\r
151 Same issue on MATE.\r
152\r
153\r
154\r
155 ** TurnDownForTendies\r
156 I made a bootable usb to see the mouse options in KDE.\r
157 You're right there's an option to set the acceleration to\r
158 flat. The last time I used it I was confused by the\r
159 multipliers where you could type in values for\r
160 acceleration and "pointer threshold." Good to see its now\r
161 just a click to get it over with.\r
162\r
163 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
164 Yeah, the KDE team have done a great job recently and\r
165 have developed a modern, feature-rich, and great\r
166 performing desktop with some of the best apps in the\r
167 Linux space. It's really come a long way and I have\r
168 zero regrets or complaints after having switched to it\r
169 over a year ago.\r
170\r
171 ** TurnDownForTendies\r
172 Yeah looks a lot different than it used to last time\r
173 I tried it a year ago. Looks really nice so far and\r
174 animations are a lot smoother than what I'm used to\r
175 on gnome. I had to edit a file to stop screen\r
176 tearing on my nvidia card and disallow applications\r
177 to block compositing because running a game would\r
178 cause window dragging and some desktop effects to\r
179 get screwed up, but I'll switch to it if things seem\r
180 stable.\r
181\r
182 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
183 I had to edit a file to stop screen tearing on my\r
184 nvidia card\r
185 On any recent drivers you can just open the\r
186 nvidia-settings tool as root and enable\r
187 "ForceFullCompositePipeline" under "Advanced" in\r
188 the "X Server Display Configuration". Then just\r
189 save it to your xorg.conf file to keep it after a\r
190 reboot.\r
191 \r
192 disallow applications to block compositing\r
193 because running a game would cause window\r
194 dragging and some desktop effects to get screwed\r
195 up,\r
196 This seems to be an edge-case with only certain\r
197 applications. IIRC, the only one I've encountered\r
198 any issues with was [1]The Adventures of Fei\r
199 Duanmu . In any case, you can manually toggle\r
200 compositing using a global shortcut\r
201 (Shift+Alt+F12 by default).\r
202 \r
203 Looks really nice so far and animations are a lot\r
204 smoother than what I'm used to on gnome.\r
205 Yeah the animations and transitions are great.\r
206 You can customize them too, from "Smoother and\r
207 longer" to "Snappier and shorter" (or just turn\r
208 them off if that's your thing).\r
209 \r
210 \r
211 \r
212 \r
213 [1]\r
214 https://store.steampowered.com/app/593200/The_Adv-\r
215 entures_of_Fei_Duanmu/\r
216\r
217 ** DutchHawk_\r
218 I had to edit a file to stop screen tearing on\r
219 my nvidia card\r
220 On any recent drivers you can just open the\r
221 nvidia-settings tool as root and enable\r
222 "ForceFullCompositePipeline" under "Advanced"\r
223 in the "X Server Display Configuration". Then\r
224 just save it to your xorg.conf file to keep it\r
225 after a reboot.\r
226 Seeing as how we are on a gaming subreddit:\r
227 keep in mind that this does have a huge\r
228 performance impact.\r
229\r
230 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
231 I feel like this is a myth that keeps\r
232 getting perpetuated. I've done testing and\r
233 have seen no impact in either frame-time,\r
234 response, or frame-rate across OpenGL,\r
235 Vulkan or Wine games. Maybe it causes some\r
236 issue in some edge-case game where the code\r
237 is poorly optimized, but I've yet to run\r
238 into it.\r
239\r
240 ** DutchHawk_\r
241 Dunno about edge case, but it isn't\r
242 consistent: that's true.\r
243 I have little impact in say\r
244 Insurgency/DOF, but both Tomb Raiders\r
245 had massive stuttering. Same with the\r
246 vsync effect: sometimes it seems to\r
247 clamp it to 60fps while other games are\r
248 fine.\r
249 So I guess the advice would more be\r
250 "keep in mind it does stuff; if you have\r
251 issues try enabling/disabling it".\r
252\r
253\r
254\r
255 ** GaianNeuron\r
256 There's an option in KDE called "allow\r
257 applications to block compositing" which\r
258 lets games override that and recover said\r
259 performance.\r
260 It's enabled by default.\r
261\r
262 ** DutchHawk_\r
263 From what I gather, that has nothing to\r
264 do with Nvidia's settings (inc. any form\r
265 of CompositePipeline ) only KDE's own\r
266 compositing. KWin doesn't know anything\r
267 what Nvidia is doing. Via former KDE dev\r
268 [1]/u/mgraesslin : see [2]this\r
269 The [3]solution in that thread by\r
270 [4]/u/UrbenLegend may work with the\r
271 "block compositing" (since it it a KWin\r
272 thingy after all). Although for me the\r
273 triple buffer helps, but not completely\r
274 eliminates tearing.\r
275 \r
276 \r
277 \r
278 \r
279 [1] https://www.reddit.com/u/mgraesslin\r
280 [2]\r
281 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/88-\r
282 aejd/is_anyone_here_using_kde_on_proprie-\r
283 tary_nvidia/dwow79l\r
284 [3]\r
285 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/88-\r
286 aejd/is_anyone_here_using_kde_on_proprie-\r
287 tary_nvidia/dwje571\r
288 [4] https://www.reddit.com/u/UrbenLegend\r
289\r
290\r
291\r
292\r
293\r
294\r
295 ** koera\r
296 My only complaint is that I would love to use\r
297 Kubuntu, but KDE Neon keeps getting so much awesome\r
298 stuff I can't make myself give it up.\r
299\r
300 ** YAOMTC\r
301 I don't see how this is a complaint.\r
302\r
303 ** koera\r
304 Luxury problem, I would love to have a super\r
305 stabil 18.04 with the extra polish and stabil\r
306 KDE desktop, but all the awesome new and shiny\r
307 is too much to resist.\r
308\r
309\r
310\r
311\r
312\r
313\r
314 ** fluffy465\r
315 KDE has different mouse settings menus depending on the\r
316 driver, so that option isn't always there. It wasn't for\r
317 me by default.\r
318\r
319 ** Walrad_Usingen\r
320 Yes! [1]Here is a forum post showing the different\r
321 mouse settings in the preferences. Make sure you\r
322 install xf86-input-evdev and use it instead of the\r
323 default xf86-input-libinput , e.g. with cp\r
324 /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf\r
325 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf\r
326 \r
327 \r
328 \r
329 \r
330 [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=240218\r
331\r
332 ** the_real_farfetchd\r
333 Maybe symlink the file instead of copying so it\r
334 doesn't get out of sync when the original gets\r
335 updated.\r
336\r
337 ** Walrad_Usingen\r
338 Yeah, probably not a bad idea. I don't\r
339 necessarily trust the package keeping it in the\r
340 same place either though, so maybe both. 🤔\r
341\r
342\r
343\r
344\r
345 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
346 When was this? It's there on the default configuration\r
347 for: Fedora 28, Arch (and Arch-based), Kubuntu 18.04,\r
348 KDE Neon.\r
349\r
350\r
351\r
352 ** Jupon\r
353 wait, with KDE i can completely disable this? im\r
354 installing this weekend!\r
355\r
356\r
357\r
358 ** Swiftpaw22\r
359 It is, and it's why I helped to get the Linux Mint developers\r
360 to turn it off by default. There is an option in mouse\r
361 settings for "custom acceleration" where you can turn it back\r
362 on, though, if you want it. But seriously, most everyone\r
363 seems to prefer it off, hence why they changed that. It's\r
364 stupid to have accel be the default, and even if you make it\r
365 the default, at least provide a way to easily disable it.\r
366 All distros should do the same. No mouse acceleration is a\r
367 sane default.\r
368\r
369 ** Jupon\r
370 When was this? i was using mint earlier this year and it\r
371 was impossible for someone like me to remove.\r
372\r
373\r
374 ** chunes\r
375 As someone who moved from Windows to Mint a few weeks ago,\r
376 thank you! This thread had me worried but I was surprised\r
377 to see it turned off by default.\r
378\r
379 ** TheFlyingDharma\r
380 Disabling mouse acceleration is a "massively niche\r
381 feature"? Did I really just read that on a gaming\r
382 subreddit?\r
383\r
384 ** c0ccuh\r
385 He would feel right at home on gnome.\r
386\r
387 ** vexorian2\r
388 Not a he\r
389\r
390\r
391\r
392 ** vexorian2\r
393 I am yet to meet anyone IRL that remotely cares\r
394 about this. And most of the people I know are geeks\r
395 to some degree.\r
396 Reality is that most of the people don't care, and\r
397 if we added this feature to the UI they would feel\r
398 confused about it and mess it up and then wonder why\r
399 their mouse is acting glitchy on Linux.\r
400 If instead, we leave it like it is, the people who\r
401 care can run the terminal commands or install the\r
402 right packages or whatever.\r
403\r
404\r
405\r
406\r
407\r
408 ** catman1900\r
409 The people here are to 1337 for ease of use stuff\r
410\r
411\r
412 ** lemler3\r
413 Install gnome tweak tool go to keyboard and mouse and change\r
414 mouse profile to flat\r
415\r
416 ** Sempre01\r
417 Yeah thats the solution on stock Ubuntu but you shouldnt have\r
418 to install software to change mouse settings...\r
419\r
420 ** redstoolthrowawayy\r
421 Actually the function is already part of gnome, the tweak\r
422 tool makes it easier to access and saves the setting.\r
423\r
424 ** Sempre01\r
425 Huh. I had to install it when I tried stock Ubuntu.\r
426\r
427 ** furquan_ahmad\r
428 Debian (on which Ubuntu is based upon) installs it\r
429 as part of the gnome metapackage, I don't know why\r
430 Ubuntu removed Tweaks from the metapackage.\r
431\r
432 ** koera\r
433 My guess would be to "simplify" the experience.\r
434 Less options means easier to use.\r
435\r
436\r
437\r
438 ** ImpersonalComputer\r
439 You had to install gnome tweak tool to change the\r
440 setting using a GUI but you could have changed it\r
441 manually by editing dconf.\r
442\r
443 ** TMiguelT\r
444 Any idea why tweak tool is not installed by\r
445 default, or even integrated into the Settings\r
446 dialogue? It's so helpful I don't understand why\r
447 everyone wouldn't want it\r
448\r
449 ** the_Madman\r
450 Because that gives users control, which is\r
451 against the Gnome philosophy.\r
452\r
453 ** Vash63\r
454 Gnome doesn't decide on the default\r
455 packages for a distribution. As mentioned\r
456 above in this same comment thread, Ubuntu's\r
457 upstream (Debian) does include Tweaks by\r
458 default with the 'gnome' metapackage.\r
459\r
460 ** the_Madman\r
461 Gnome does decide to ship 4 different\r
462 UIs to do one job, and all as separate\r
463 software.\r
464\r
465 ** Vash63\r
466 True, but that isn't the same thing\r
467 you initially said which is that they\r
468 don't like giving control. They just\r
469 aren't organizing it very well.\r
470\r
471\r
472\r
473\r
474\r
475\r
476 ** lordofbud\r
477 I think the point they are making is that it's\r
478 not a default GUI option, people who are just\r
479 switching over from windows, and doing so as\r
480 gamers are likely not familiar with non-GUI\r
481 methods of adjusting settings.\r
482 [1]This is what they see on Ubuntu, and to be\r
483 honest, it leaves the impression to a new user\r
484 that disabling mouse acceleration is not an\r
485 option.\r
486 Edit: two words.\r
487 \r
488 \r
489 \r
490 \r
491 [1] https://imgur.com/xD5rIqI\r
492\r
493 ** ImpersonalComputer\r
494 I agree, it should be a part of Ubuntu’s basic\r
495 features I was just trying to clarify that it\r
496 can be done without installing the gnome tweak\r
497 tools package.\r
498\r
499\r
500\r
501\r
502\r
503\r
504 ** lemler3\r
505 I mean you can't really blame one distro when they all use\r
506 libinput, if anything synapse if the one to blame\r
507\r
508 ** Sempre01\r
509 They could've put a slider in their mouse settings\r
510 couldnt they?\r
511\r
512 ** BulletDust\r
513 Microsoft could have used just the 'Control Panel'\r
514 as opposed to the 'Control Panel' and the 'Settings\r
515 Panel' couldn't they?\r
516 A classic example of a non intuitive GUI if I ever\r
517 saw one. It's easier opening a configuration file\r
518 and copy/pasting simple text.\r
519\r
520\r
521\r
522\r
523 ** FlukyS\r
524 Well they are shipping the Gnome settings manager with a\r
525 few tweaks. This is more of a Gnome problem than an Ubuntu\r
526 problem.\r
527\r
528\r
529\r
530 ** DanBennett\r
531 OK, I had no idea that's what that did! Thank you for helping\r
532 OP and thus others. More like you, please! :-)\r
533\r
534\r
535 ** arminiusreturns\r
536 [1]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration\r
537 \r
538 \r
539 \r
540 \r
541 [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration\r
542\r
543 ** ed_ed_ed_ed\r
544 [Something like this?] ( [1]https://imgur.com/xGmEY1A )\r
545 \r
546 \r
547 \r
548 \r
549 [1] https://imgur.com/xGmEY1A\r
550\r
551 ** KarKraKr\r
552 Does that really turn it off though? I've never seen a GUI\r
553 that actually sets a [1]flat acceleration profile . Granted,\r
554 I don't use many GUIs, but stock distros were always lacking\r
555 such an option.\r
556 \r
557 \r
558 \r
559 \r
560 [1]\r
561 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disab-\r
562 ling_mouse_acceleration\r
563\r
564 ** Ozymandias117\r
565 KDE at least appears to. [1]https://i.imgur.com/3pOG6uL.png\r
566 \r
567 \r
568 \r
569 \r
570 [1] https://i.imgur.com/3pOG6uL.png\r
571\r
572 ** TaylorRoyal23\r
573 That doesn't seem to work perfectly. I've tested it a\r
574 bunch of times and it seems to still have a bit of\r
575 acceleration\r
576\r
577 ** bakgwailo\r
578 Would be nice to file a bug report with your\r
579 findings.\r
580\r
581\r
582 ** Sasamus\r
583 The profile toggle doesn't seem to work, it does not\r
584 change the profile.\r
585 It seems to work for some though.\r
586\r
587\r
588\r
589\r
590\r
591 ** Swiftpaw22\r
592 Then you haven't used Linux Mint, as I helped to get the\r
593 developers to turn it off by default. There is an option in\r
594 mouse settings for "custom acceleration" where you can turn it\r
595 back on, though, if you want it. But seriously, most everyone\r
596 seems to prefer it off, hence why they changed that.\r
597 All distros should do the same. No mouse acceleration is a sane\r
598 default.\r
599\r
600 ** awe300\r
601 I fucking love Linux mint\r
602\r
603\r
604 ** jensreuterberg\r
605 Ok this may be the DUMBEST question - but I use the GUI option\r
606 in plasma to set flat acceleration rate - but then I do\r
607 \r
608 $ xinput list-props {1..50} 2>/dev/null | fgrep 'libinput Accel\r
609 Profile Enabled ('\r
610 And it claims acceleration is still on... (ie reads 1, 0 instead\r
611 of 0, 1)\r
612 Is it me just not getting it, or freaking out for nothing? If\r
613 not: Why?\r
614 EDIT: should be noted that I have a hard time checking\r
615 "manually" (ie testing going quick over the same space as you've\r
616 recently dragged it slowly to see if it goes "farther" when\r
617 moving fast) but my aim in CSGO "feels" shaky. Could be just me\r
618 stressing out and getting shaky aim due to that suspicion.\r
619\r
620 ** AI221\r
621 best way to test is to set 2 heavy objects between your mouse\r
622 and move between them fast or slow. If your mouse doesn't\r
623 return to roughly the same spot you're good.(unless you've\r
624 got some $500 mouse it's not gonna be pixel-perfect)\r
625\r
626 ** jensreuterberg\r
627 Thats the one I usually do (although not THAT heavy), will\r
628 do some more of it though just to calm my nerves - which\r
629 may just as well be what messes it up. CS is such a\r
630 "confidence game", and a small streak of losses really\r
631 makes you wonder and question etc etc...\r
632\r
633\r
634\r
635 ** Sasamus\r
636 You are correct. The profile toggle does not work, at least\r
637 for some, the profile does not change.\r
638\r
639\r
640 ** K900_\r
641 KDE Plasma lets you disable mouse acceleration out of the box.\r
642\r
643 ** iommu\r
644 Does it have an option for sensitivity yet? On 5.13 I could\r
645 only find accel but not sensitivity.\r
646\r
647 ** AimlesslyWalking\r
648 I think the acceleration option might just be a poorly\r
649 worded sensitivity option, so long as you set it to flat\r
650 profile underneath. I could be wrong though, just going\r
651 off a brief mouse-feel test and it feels unaccelerated.\r
652\r
653 ** RASQ37\r
654 Just tested it. No, it's definitely acceleration.\r
655\r
656 ** Sasamus\r
657 That slider does work as a sensitivity/speed slider\r
658 with a flat profile.\r
659 The problem is that changing the profile there\r
660 doesn't seem to work for some people, hence why\r
661 people have different experiences.\r
662 If you set the profile to flat by other means that\r
663 slider can be used for sensitivity.\r
664\r
665\r
666\r
667\r
668\r
669 ** raist356\r
670 I guess you are using the stable version. That option is gone\r
671 in the settings of new versions.\r
672\r
673 ** K900_\r
674 It's there for me on Plasma 5.14 beta.\r
675\r
676 ** raist356\r
677 What distro are you on?\r
678\r
679 ** K900_\r
680 Arch.\r
681\r
682\r
683\r
684\r
685 ** jensreuterberg\r
686 Just chiming in that I still have that option in 5.13.5\r
687 (Flat Acceleration Rate checkbox underneath the slider)\r
688\r
689\r
690\r
691 ** mightysilentsaint\r
692 is it weird that i have never faced the said problems for the\r
693 last 6 years of my life as a full time linux user?\r
694\r
695 ** MikeFrett\r
696 I've never had these issues either.\r
697\r
698 ** aerique\r
699 It's mostly what you're used to. In the past I did most of\r
700 my gaming on Windows, so Linux felt off and OS X was\r
701 awful.\r
702 Switched to Linux full-time a couple of months for gaming\r
703 (everything else I had been doing on Unix for ages\r
704 anyway), set my mouse settings to something that felt\r
705 nice[1] and no issues after one or two days.\r
706 [1] xset b off mouse 2/1 4\r
707\r
708\r
709\r
710 ** plumkefan\r
711 Just to be a bit pedantic, this is not a Linux issue as it has\r
712 nothing to do with the kernel. It is really an issue with\r
713 whatever Desktop Environment(s) you are using.\r
714 Some DEs have this built into to their settings UI, some do not.\r
715 If there is a specific DE you love, but does not offer this,\r
716 propose it upstream and someone may add it in.\r
717 There are several options for persistently disabling\r
718 acceleration. The easiest that come to mind would be either\r
719 throwing an computer command in somewhere like .xprofile or\r
720 specifying your mouse parameters in an XOrg config file. If\r
721 using Gnome, there is always gnome-tweaks, as has been\r
722 mentioned.\r
723 From what I’ve read in this thread, it seems like half the\r
724 commenters are expecting that there should be some magic\r
725 software or standard UI element that is mandatory in every\r
726 distribution of Linux. It’s a bit silly to think that way as\r
727 everyone uses Linux in their own way and many of us don’t want\r
728 bloated garbage that we will never use (a UI element for a\r
729 setting that only needs to be touched once).\r
730\r
731 ** kon14\r
732 Just to be a bit pedantic, this is not a Linux issue as it\r
733 has nothing to do with the kernel.\r
734 Just a reminder, but you do understand you've written this in\r
735 a sub called linux _gaming, right? Nobody cares at this\r
736 point, from a casual user's perspective, linux is just a\r
737 catch-all term for linux distros.\r
738 \r
739 The easiest that come to mind would be either throwing an\r
740 computer command in somewhere like .xprofile or specifying\r
741 your mouse parameters in an XOrg config file.\r
742 While I personally love config files, manually configuring\r
743 some settings can be intimidating for newcomers and it gets\r
744 even worse when you also have to setup multiple non-binary\r
745 vars that only accept specific values (ie dpi, sensitivity,\r
746 acceleration etc).\r
747 \r
748 It seems like half the commenters are expecting that there\r
749 should be some magic software or standard UI element that is\r
750 mandatory in every distribution of Linux ... many of us don’t\r
751 want bloated garbage that we will never use.\r
752 You're spot on regarding unnecessary cruft bloating a default\r
753 installation. However if a noob-friendly desktop-use distro\r
754 (or rather DE) already provides a basic mouse configuration\r
755 utility in its system settings I think it would really make\r
756 sense if they could merely add a couple of additional\r
757 elements to expose and configure stuff like this.\r
758 The thing is, not all peripherals can be supported through\r
759 the same utilities (at least not for stuff like dpi), but\r
760 thankfully bosic stuff like acceleration are merely handled\r
761 by libinput (and others).\r
762 On the other hand, libinput doesn't even expose proper\r
763 configuration files, so if you're on Wayland and your\r
764 compositor doesn't provide a tool to modify acceleration and\r
765 other parameters you're pretty much stuck with the default\r
766 settings!\r
767\r
768\r
769 ** redstoolthrowawayy\r
770 xset m 0 0\r
771\r
772 ** KarKraKr\r
773 That does not disable mouse acceleration 100%.\r
774\r
775 ** learn2dev\r
776 Fr? What does? I'm worried bc I play tf2 with raw input on\r
777 and xset m 0 0.\r
778 How can I make sure acceleration is off?\r
779\r
780\r
781\r
782 ** Sempre01\r
783 Thats temporary.\r
784\r
785 ** _____frost___\r
786 You can make commands execute at startup in several ways..\r
787\r
788 ** Sempre01\r
789 Thats way too complicated for 99% of gamers coming from\r
790 Windows.\r
791\r
792 ** BulletDust\r
793 Geez, I've done more complicated things just getting\r
794 games running the way they should under Windows.\r
795 I personally think you've set the bar a little low\r
796 considering the technical ability of most gamers. I\r
797 enjoy gaming and I had mouse acceleration disabled\r
798 permanently in seconds under Ubuntu MATE.\r
799 This procedure is far from difficult (I run 16.04):\r
800 [1]https://errorfixer.co/disable-mouse-acceleration-\r
801 ubuntu-16-04/\r
802 \r
803 \r
804 \r
805 \r
806 [1]\r
807 https://errorfixer.co/disable-mouse-acceleration-ubu-\r
808 ntu-16-04/\r
809\r
810 ** Greydmiyu\r
811 I've hated mouse acceleration ever since it was\r
812 introduced. I've never had to "move the mouse\r
813 over half the table." Called tweaking sensitivity\r
814 for the available space. Right now the mouse I am\r
815 using for my laptop has less area than a standard\r
816 sized hot pad (7"x7"). I only use that as a unit\r
817 of measurement because my dinner is on a hot pad\r
818 next to the mouse and takes up more room than\r
819 what my mouse has to move.\r
820\r
821\r
822 ** TurbulentCurrent\r
823 I don't use acceleration and my mouse has to move\r
824 less than 4 cm for the pointer to move from one\r
825 corner to the diagonally opposite corner on a\r
826 1080p screen.\r
827\r
828\r
829 ** lordofbud\r
830 99% of user?\r
831 I have never heard someone praise mouse\r
832 acceleration, I have on the other hand heard\r
833 people bitch about it.\r
834\r
835\r
836 ** energybeing\r
837 You're literally the only person I've ever seen\r
838 defend mouse acceleration. I don't think that\r
839 number is as high as you think it is. That shit\r
840 is cancer. Just up the sensitivity a little bit\r
841 if you can't be bothered to move your hand a few\r
842 inches FFS.\r
843\r
844\r
845\r
846 ** lulxD69420\r
847 Windows where you need a ton of 3rd party software,\r
848 registry editing to make the OS not spy and do weird\r
849 stuff randomly? Just wow\r
850\r
851 ** Sempre01\r
852 Its not a good idea to make Linux easier to use\r
853 for everyone?\r
854\r
855 ** biAlotOFthings\r
856 lol no. Gatekeeping gets these people off\r
857 bruh. Some of them absolutely do not want\r
858 things like this to be more accessible. God\r
859 forbid my 97 year old gramps can get anything\r
860 done on the ubuntu distro I installed on his\r
861 desktop.\r
862 Imagine this kind of neckbeardy attitude in\r
863 any other field of interest.\r
864 "My coq au vin recipe tastes too savory what\r
865 can I do??"\r
866 -- "Hurr durr maybe next time try yourself on\r
867 [1]this instead"\r
868 Fucking insufferable\r
869 \r
870 \r
871 \r
872 \r
873 [1]\r
874 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thum-\r
875 b/5/57/Lunchables%2C_turkey_and_american_crack-\r
876 er_stackers.jpg/250px-Lunchables%2C_turkey_and-\r
877 _american_cracker_stackers.jpg\r
878\r
879 ** civilization_failed\r
880 1337 af\r
881\r
882 ** MasterPythonicSlave\r
883 i installed arch in less than 10 tries i\r
884 kno what im talking abou\r
885\r
886\r
887\r
888 ** Greydmiyu\r
889 [1]https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx-\r
890 1eM/giphy.gif\r
891 \r
892 \r
893 \r
894 \r
895 [1]\r
896 https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM-\r
897 /giphy.gif\r
898\r
899\r
900 ** Sempre01\r
901 ok...\r
902\r
903\r
904\r
905 ** Sempre01\r
906 Thats really mean.\r
907\r
908\r
909 ** toidiboy\r
910 I have a better suggestion\r
911 sudo rm elitism-in-linux\r
912\r
913\r
914\r
915\r
916\r
917\r
918\r
919 ** m-p-3\r
920 I guess that explains why I always find the mouse sluggish on\r
921 Linux, TIL.\r
922\r
923 ** walterbanana\r
924 Just like Windows, to be fair. Nowadays you can change the\r
925 acceleration profile in Gnome Tweak tool, if you are using Gnome\r
926 anyway.\r
927\r
928 ** Appofia\r
929 Flat in KDE does not disable acceleration as some people are\r
930 claiming, at least not for me, there's still acceleration\r
931 present it's just a different curve, or it's bugged.\r
932 Not having proper GUI settings for mouse controls is my number 1\r
933 issue with running Linux these days. It's baffling why something\r
934 that so many people want to change/adjust has to be done with\r
935 editing files or creating scripts.\r
936\r
937 ** Sasamus\r
938 It's bugged, at least for some, the profile settings does not\r
939 change the profile.\r
940\r
941\r
942 ** paanordpolen\r
943 Long live xinput commands\r
944\r
945 ** cloudrac3r\r
946 Play around with the xinput command-line tool. Specifically,\r
947 Device Accel Profile (aceleration type) and Device Accel\r
948 Constant Deceleration (speed). My preferred settings are -1 and\r
949 1.25 respectively, and I have this script to set them for me:\r
950 a="$(xinput | grep 'Logitech USB Receiver' | awk '{print $6}' |\r
951 sed 's/id=//')"\r
952 for i in $a; do\r
953 b="$(xinput list-props $i | grep 'Device Accel Constant\r
954 Deceleration')"\r
955 b=${b##*(}\r
956 b=${b%%)*}\r
957 xinput set-prop $i $b 1.25\r
958 b="$(xinput list-props $i | grep 'Device Accel Profile')"\r
959 b=${b##*(}\r
960 b=${b%%)*}\r
961 xinput set-prop $i $b -1\r
962 done\r
963 For a synaptics touchpad, use the synclient command line tool.\r
964\r
965 ** gluka_\r
966 It's true and in KDE at least, setting the slider to zero\r
967 doesn't actually give you raw input like xorg configs will (it\r
968 feels smoothed). From what I can tell, there's also no real\r
969 option for changing your desktop sensitivity once you're rid of\r
970 mouse acceleration if you don't have working DPI settings.\r
971 Changing the transform matrix through xinput seems like the best\r
972 solution, but causes the camera to spin uncontrollably in a ton\r
973 of games for some reason.\r
974 \r
975 I suppose you could make a script to disable/enable it as\r
976 needed, but most games have menus and overlays that you need to\r
977 interact with regularly so that would be a lot of hotkey presses\r
978 over time.\r
979\r
980 ** 5had0w5talk3r\r
981 in KDE at least, setting the slider to zero doesn't actually\r
982 give you raw input\r
983 Did you set your profile to 'flat'?\r
984\r
985\r
986 ** Sasamus\r
987 With the adaptive profile the slider adjusts the amount of\r
988 acceleration.\r
989 With the flat profile the slider adjusts the\r
990 sensitivity/speed.\r
991 The problem is that the profile setting doesn't seem to work,\r
992 at least for some.\r
993 But the slider works as it should if you set the profile in\r
994 other ways.\r
995\r
996\r
997 ** ismaelbonato\r
998 xset m 00\r
999\r
1000 ** undu\r
1001 Touchpad acceleration shouldn't be a problem anymore:\r
1002 [1]https://who-t.blogspot.com/2018/08/libinputs-new-trackpoint-a-\r
1003 cceleration.html\r
1004 \r
1005 \r
1006 \r
1007 \r
1008 [1]\r
1009 https://who-t.blogspot.com/2018/08/libinputs-new-trackpoint-acce-\r
1010 leration.html\r
1011\r
1012 ** citewiki\r
1013 Shouldn't it be in the game settings anyway?\r
1014\r
1015 ** Zach_Attakk\r
1016 I don't know if it's because I'm used to the "enhanced pointer\r
1017 precision" on Windows, but every time I go back to my Zorin\r
1018 machine, I keep overshooting buttons, even when moving slowly.\r
1019 I'd also like to be able to set the sensitivity of my mouse vs\r
1020 my trackpad independently, because one is super slow and the\r
1021 other super fast and I don't want to switch it every time I\r
1022 decide not to plug in the mouse.\r
1023\r
1024 ** TurbulentCurrent\r
1025 On X you can easily disable it by typing xset m 1 0\r
1026 in the terminal\r
1027 But on Wayland (libinput), I have not found a way to disable it,\r
1028 that's why I don't use any distro that comes with Wayland.\r
1029\r
1030 ** Saizaku_\r
1031 Just to stop missinformatiom from spreading, xset no longer\r
1032 works the way it used to due to the changes in x. You should\r
1033 use config files, read more about that here:\r
1034 [1]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Di-\r
1035 sabling_mouse_acceleration\r
1036 \r
1037 \r
1038 \r
1039 \r
1040 [1]\r
1041 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disab-\r
1042 ling_mouse_acceleration\r
1043\r
1044\r
1045 ** inverimus\r
1046 Honestly, most people probably want it on, so having to use some\r
1047 google searches to turn it off is not a very big deal.\r
1048\r
1049 ** lordofbud\r
1050 Not trying to bash you, but if you're using a physical mouse\r
1051 instead of a touch pad, why would you want mouse acceleration\r
1052 on?\r
1053 It out right annoys me, the first thing I set out to address\r
1054 on a fresh install is disabling it.\r
1055\r
1056 ** inverimus\r
1057 I don't have it on, but I think most people do not bother\r
1058 ever turning it off and are used to it being on all the\r
1059 time.\r
1060\r
1061\r
1062\r
1063 ** MightyWheatley\r
1064 still, there should be an easy to find option for those who\r
1065 want to turn it off\r
1066\r
1067\r
1068 ** Prime624\r
1069 Huh. I actually love the mouse sensitivity and acceleration on\r
1070 Linux (and Mac). I can barely use a windows mouse anymore, it's\r
1071 so touchy or sluggish, no good balance.\r
1072\r
1073 ** volca02\r
1074 It's okay if you do - but there are those with high-dpi mice\r
1075 used to RAW input without any acceleration - and I'm one of\r
1076 them. It's mind boggling why the common desktop environments\r
1077 don't allow for total bypass of the mouse input processing.\r
1078\r
1079\r
1080 ** LordMacharius\r
1081 I prefer accuracy, mouse acceleration on a mouse is the most\r
1082 frustrating thing to work with.\r
1083\r
1084\r
1085 ** the_Madman\r
1086 KDE's mouse settings panel allows you to set the acceleration to\r
1087 "dynamic"or "flat". I switched it off the first chance I got.\r
1088\r
1089 ** 84521\r
1090 Is that why the mouse is so fucky in Ubuntu? And no way to\r
1091 toggle it off?\r
1092\r
1093 ** ReadAParadox\r
1094 You can disable it in Ubuntu but it's kinda complicated, first\r
1095 install gnome-tweak-tool then go to mouse settings (in\r
1096 gnome-tweak-tool) then change acceleration profile from whatever\r
1097 it is to flat.\r
1098\r
1099 ** supamesican\r
1100 YUp, my biggest complaint about it. Manjaro doesnt seem too bad\r
1101 about it but still its not ok\r
1102\r
1103 ** EdgiPing\r
1104 Upvote for the edit.\r
1105\r
1106 ** GeeWhizWithout\r
1107 I have used Linux in some fashion for decades. Work, pleasure,\r
1108 etc. Mouse issues are my most hated thing. I use a trackball and\r
1109 it's not always good.\r
1110\r
1111 ** UltimaN3rd\r
1112 I installed Ubuntu 18.04 fresh just a few weeks ago and don't\r
1113 have any mouse acceleration by default. It was always a problem\r
1114 before but it seems like they changed it?\r
1115\r
1116 ** BenkiTheBuilder\r
1117 I'm just using plain X11 with Fluxbox (on Ubuntu Xenial) and\r
1118 haven't changed anything regarding mouse. And I'm happy with how\r
1119 the cursor moves. Guess it's an anti-feature of Desktop\r
1120 Environments.\r
1121\r
1122 ** mao_dze_dun\r
1123 I have absolutely no idea why you got ANY downvotes. This has\r
1124 been a legitimate problem that has been present on, at least,\r
1125 all Ubuntu based distros I've used. They want to increase market\r
1126 share but can't fix the effing mouse? What the hell?\r
1127\r
1128 ** stormicex\r
1129 It's the reason I still use windows. Even if I disable the mouse\r
1130 acceleration from tweak tool the feel of the mouse is horrible\r
1131 in csgo. I tried 5 years ago and tried again some months ago.\r
1132 Still shit. We'll see in another 5 years lol\r
1133\r
1134 ** LordMacharius\r
1135 You can't be bothered to look up the software you need so you\r
1136 use Windows instead, wtf?\r
1137\r
1138 ** stormicex\r
1139 maybe you need to read again my post. Even with\r
1140 acceleration disabled mouse feels weird on linux compared\r
1141 to what feel on windows. Aim is super important while\r
1142 playing csgo and if my mouse don't feel precise i can't\r
1143 play on linux.\r
1144\r
1145\r
1146\r
1147 ** tutami\r
1148 This and screen tearing is linuxs doom. We need to fix those\r
1149 issues\r
1150\r
1151 ** n30p1r4t3\r
1152 No screen tearing to speak of for me on mesa/amdgpu... I’ve\r
1153 only ever had screen tearing using intel or nvidia.\r
1154\r
1155 ** tutami\r
1156 %90 ppl are using Nvidia/Intel. There are workatounds but\r
1157 at the cost of performance etc\r
1158\r
1159\r
1160\r
1161\r