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    GOOGLE INVESTIGATING ISSUE WITH BLURRY FONTS ON NEW CHROME 69  \r
                             (ZDNET.COM)                           \r
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  Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (msmash)\r
  from the blurry-texts dept.\r
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  o News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/1839242/google-investigating-issue-with-blurry-fonts-on-new-chrome-69\r
  o Source link: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-investigating-issue-with-blurry-fonts-on-new-chrome-69/\r
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    Since  the release of Chrome 69 earlier this week, countless of\r
    users  have  gone  on social media and Google Product Forums to\r
    complain  about  "blurry" or "fuzzy" text inside Chrome. ZDNet:\r
    The  blurred  font  issue  isn't  only limited to text rendered\r
    inside   a  web  page,  users  said,  but  also  for  the  text\r
    suggestions  displayed inside the address bar search drop-down,\r
    and   Chrome's   Developer  Tools  panel.  [...]  According  to\r
    reports,  the  issue  only  manifests  for  Chrome  69 users on\r
    Windows.  Those  who  rolled  back  to Chrome 68 stopped having\r
    problems.  Users  said  that changing Chrome, operating system,\r
    or  screen DPI settings didn't help. "Our team is investigating\r
    reports  of  this  behavior.  You  can find more information in\r
    this  public bug report," a Google spokesperson said last night\r
    after  first  user  complaints  started  surfacing online. Some\r
    users  have  also  expressed  concerns  over Chrome not showing\r
    "trivial  subdomains" including www and secure lock sign in the\r
    address bar.\r
\r
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  ** Whats the deal (Score:2)\r
     (by 110010001000 ( 697113 ))\r
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     \r
     Whats the deal with the new interface. Looks like we are back to\r
     rounded corners again.\r
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     ** \r
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        ** Re: (Score:1)\r
           (by 110010001000 ( 697113 ))\r
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           \r
           And what's the deal with decaf coffee? How do they get the\r
           caffeine out of there, and then where does it go?\r
\r
           ** Re: (Score:1)\r
              (by Anonymous Coward)\r
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              \r
              Why do they put caffeine in coffee and then take it\r
              back out?\r
              And why if Chrome rendering fonts in the first place?\r
              That's a job for the operating system.\r
\r
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           ** Re: Whats the deal (Score:2)\r
              (by spongman ( 182339 ))\r
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              \r
              dichloromethe (or ethyl acetate) leeching.\r
\r
\r
\r
        ** Re: (Score:2)\r
           (by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ))\r
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           \r
           Score: 5, That's gold Jerry, GOLD!\r
\r
\r
\r
  ** So Chrome 69 makes you blind? (Score:4, Funny)\r
     (by the_skywise ( 189793 ))\r
\r
     \r
     The jokes write themselves...\r
\r
  ** Blurry Fonts... (Score:2)\r
     (by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ))\r
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     \r
     Maybe they need to put on their Google Glass so they can read\r
     the fonts clearer.\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:3)\r
        (by Z00L00K ( 682162 ))\r
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        \r
        They just started to use Cleartype and the fuzzy fonts.\r
        Both cleartype and fuzzy fonts gives me a headache so I have\r
        to use uBlock to revert to the browser default when I run\r
        Firefox.\r
\r
\r
  ** I bet you (Score:5, Insightful)\r
     (by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ))\r
\r
     \r
     If these are Windows users they screwed with the Compatibility\r
     Mode options for DPI in order to make the window smaller or\r
     bigger. It looked fine until Google did something differently\r
     and now the Compatibility Mode options make it look blurry.\r
     Turns out using options designed for use on legacy applications\r
     only on modern applications introduces problems. Lots of Steam\r
     users have similar problems.\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:2)\r
        (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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        \r
        Wrong. I use the standard DPI settings for the whole screen\r
        (1.5x on my 27" 4K screen), which only works with programs\r
        that are DPI-aware. It's true that I didn't notice the blurry\r
        fonts until I saw the headline, but I really just thought I\r
        was that tired (I've only had 69 for about a day). At least\r
        for me, it's fairly mild.\r
\r
        ** \r
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           ** Re: (Score:2)\r
              (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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              \r
              If it looks significantly worse, it could also have\r
              nothing at all to do with the bug - Chrome is DPI aware\r
              and should never have that enabled. Especially since\r
              the bug report doesn't have any mention of anything but\r
              the system DPI setting.\r
\r
\r
\r
        ** \r
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           ** Re: (Score:2)\r
              (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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              \r
              So you like the way I word it (No Giggity).\r
\r
\r
\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:3)\r
        (by Solandri ( 704621 ))\r
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        \r
        The problem is there are three ways to tweak the DPI.\r
        Compatibility Mode, which can be set on a per-app basis.\r
        Display scaling, which is set via the Windows desktop and\r
        affects everything. And Advanced Scaling which Microsoft\r
        introduced with the Spring Creators Update, which I haven't\r
        figured out exactly how it's different from the regular\r
        Display Scaling.\r
        \r
        Under the hood, there's also ClearType which runs on top of\r
        DPI scaling, and does [1]subpixel rendering  [grc.com] (using\r
        the individual red, green, and blue subp\r
        \r
        \r
        \r
        \r
        [1] https://www.grc.com/ctwhat.htm\r
\r
        ** Re: (Score:2)\r
           (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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           \r
           Looking at some zoomed in screenshots, I think they're\r
           scaling the subpixel rendering itself (which should never\r
           happen). There is no reason to have red or blue tint on\r
           anything but the outermost pixel, but looking at my\r
           screenshot close up I'm seeing two side-by-side bluish or\r
           reddish pixels.\r
\r
\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:2)\r
        (by Scoth ( 879800 ))\r
\r
        \r
        Even on Chrome 69 on my multi-DPI work setup I have to turn\r
        on the DPI scaling compatibility mode/override to not get\r
        huge dialog boxes and widgets. It's a bit frustrating to me\r
        that a currently supported, modern app would still have\r
        problems with that.\r
\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:2)\r
        (by Ingenium13 ( 162116 ))\r
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        \r
        Nope, I have a Windows VM that's essentially stock that I use\r
        for a couple applications. I had Chrome open in it earlier\r
        today, and noticed that the fonts were blurry and were giving\r
        me a headache after a few minutes of use. I thought maybe it\r
        was something with RDP messing it up, but after I read this,\r
        I logged in again and verified that the fuzzy fonts are only\r
        in Chrome. All other applications are fine.\r
\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:2)\r
        (by greenwow ( 3635575 ))\r
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        \r
        And most Windows apps. For most of our users on Windows 10,\r
        Windows apps have blurry text no matter what settings we try.\r
        That really sucks for developers that need to read a lot of\r
        text.\r
\r
\r
     ** \r
\r
        ** Re: I bet you (Score:2)\r
           (by spongman ( 182339 ))\r
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           \r
           They don't?\r
\r
\r
\r
  ** Not new (Score:2)\r
     (by Tailhook ( 98486 ))\r
\r
     \r
     Chrome has been having this problem for certain desktop users\r
     for a while now. There are workaround flags and whatnot. Just\r
     another chronic quality problem in Chrome that never gets\r
     fixed....\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:1)\r
        (by MidSpeck ( 1516577 ))\r
\r
        \r
        True. I had to disable "Accelerated 2D canvas" in order to\r
        get the fuzziness to go away on mine on Chrome 68, which was\r
        working just fine before that.\r
\r
\r
  ** \r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:2)\r
        (by Z34107 ( 925136 ))\r
\r
        \r
        Text wrapping is a "solved" problem, too, but you're still\r
        doing it by hand for some reason.\r
\r
\r
  ** While they're at it (Score:2)\r
     (by Pedestrianwolf ( 1591767 ))\r
\r
     \r
     ..maybe they could also roll back all rounded rectangles they\r
     added in v69. Everything is so round it feels like I designed it\r
     in my basement.\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:3)\r
        (by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ))\r
\r
        \r
        Chrome has a major UI re-design? Firefox is going to be\r
        pulling some late nights to catch up!\r
\r
\r
  ** It's also has performance regressions (Score:2)\r
     (by Suren Enfiajyan ( 4600031 ))\r
\r
     \r
     On my Lenovo G570 the latest chrome also has very high CPU usage\r
     on [1]slither.io game [slither.io] and the game turns into a\r
     slideshow in places with many snakes. Firefox 61 doesn't suffer\r
     from the this problem, despite the fact that its slower almost\r
     in any regard. But not this time.\r
     \r
     \r
     \r
     \r
     [1] http://slither.io/\r
\r
  ** BSOD (Score:2)\r
     (by jimbrooking ( 1909170 ))\r
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     \r
     After installing ALL pages I visit are pure black. No text or\r
     graphics.\r
\r
     ** Re: (Score:2)\r
        (by jimbrooking ( 1909170 ))\r
\r
        \r
        Fix (Win 7 Home): Uninstall Chrome, delete all browsing date.\r
        reinstall Chrome, be dazzled by the curviness.\r
\r
\r
  ** Can someone summarize the linked article? (Score:4, Funny)\r
     (by kaizendojo ( 956951 ))\r
\r
     \r
     I upgraded and I can't read it.\r
\r
  ** See Jeff Probst ... (Score:2)\r
     (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
\r
     \r
     ... about this.\r
     I remember on Survivor®, back in the day, they had a "blurry\r
     tit," problem.\r
     They fixed that by disallowing exposed tits.\r
     Google should remove the tits from their fonts.\r
\r
  ** trivial subdomain hiding (Score:2)\r
     (by Zaiff Urgulbunger ( 591514 ))\r
\r
     \r
     So this "trivial subdomain hiding" thing... it's a crap idea\r
     right?\r
\r
  ** Here's my take as a Mac user (Score:2)\r
     (by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ))\r
\r
     \r
     First of all, I really hate these thin fonts. They may look neat\r
     on hi-DPI displays but not everyone has one.\r
     Secondly, the text on the left screen capture looks like it had\r
     its pixels hammered to the nearest pixel, which is the typical\r
     crappy-looking Microsoft anti-aliasing while the text on the\r
     right looks like normal anti-aliased text to me.\r
\r
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Commit	Line	Data
299a08f3 NR	1	GOOGLE INVESTIGATING ISSUE WITH BLURRY FONTS ON NEW CHROME 69 \r
	2	(ZDNET.COM) \r
	3	\r
	4	Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (msmash)\r
	5	from the blurry-texts dept.\r
	6	\r
	7	o News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/1839242/google-investigating-issue-with-blurry-fonts-on-new-chrome-69\r
	8	o Source link: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-investigating-issue-with-blurry-fonts-on-new-chrome-69/\r
	9	\r
	10	\r
	11	Since the release of Chrome 69 earlier this week, countless of\r
	12	users have gone on social media and Google Product Forums to\r
	13	complain about "blurry" or "fuzzy" text inside Chrome. ZDNet:\r
	14	The blurred font issue isn't only limited to text rendered\r
	15	inside a web page, users said, but also for the text\r
	16	suggestions displayed inside the address bar search drop-down,\r
	17	and Chrome's Developer Tools panel. [...] According to\r
	18	reports, the issue only manifests for Chrome 69 users on\r
	19	Windows. Those who rolled back to Chrome 68 stopped having\r
	20	problems. Users said that changing Chrome, operating system,\r
	21	or screen DPI settings didn't help. "Our team is investigating\r
	22	reports of this behavior. You can find more information in\r
	23	this public bug report," a Google spokesperson said last night\r
	24	after first user complaints started surfacing online. Some\r
	25	users have also expressed concerns over Chrome not showing\r
	26	"trivial subdomains" including www and secure lock sign in the\r
	27	address bar.\r
	28	\r
	29	\r
	30	** Whats the deal (Score:2)\r
	31	(by 110010001000 ( 697113 ))\r
	32	\r
	33	\r
	34	Whats the deal with the new interface. Looks like we are back to\r
	35	rounded corners again.\r
	36	\r
	37	** \r
	38	\r
	39	** Re: (Score:1)\r
	40	(by 110010001000 ( 697113 ))\r
	41	\r
	42	\r
	43	And what's the deal with decaf coffee? How do they get the\r
	44	caffeine out of there, and then where does it go?\r
	45	\r
	46	** Re: (Score:1)\r
	47	(by Anonymous Coward)\r
	48	\r
	49	\r
	50	Why do they put caffeine in coffee and then take it\r
	51	back out?\r
	52	And why if Chrome rendering fonts in the first place?\r
	53	That's a job for the operating system.\r
	54	\r
	55	\r
	56	** Re: Whats the deal (Score:2)\r
	57	(by spongman ( 182339 ))\r
	58	\r
	59	\r
	60	dichloromethe (or ethyl acetate) leeching.\r
	61	\r
	62	\r
	63	\r
	64	** Re: (Score:2)\r
65	(by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ))\r
66	\r
67	\r
68	Score: 5, That's gold Jerry, GOLD!\r
69	\r
70	\r
71	\r
72	** So Chrome 69 makes you blind? (Score:4, Funny)\r
73	(by the_skywise ( 189793 ))\r
74	\r
75	\r
76	The jokes write themselves...\r
77	\r
78	** Blurry Fonts... (Score:2)\r
79	(by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ))\r
80	\r
81	\r
82	Maybe they need to put on their Google Glass so they can read\r
83	the fonts clearer.\r
84	\r
85	** Re: (Score:3)\r
86	(by Z00L00K ( 682162 ))\r
87	\r
88	\r
89	They just started to use Cleartype and the fuzzy fonts.\r
90	Both cleartype and fuzzy fonts gives me a headache so I have\r
91	to use uBlock to revert to the browser default when I run\r
92	Firefox.\r
93	\r
94	\r
95	** I bet you (Score:5, Insightful)\r
96	(by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ))\r
97	\r
98	\r
99	If these are Windows users they screwed with the Compatibility\r
100	Mode options for DPI in order to make the window smaller or\r
101	bigger. It looked fine until Google did something differently\r
102	and now the Compatibility Mode options make it look blurry.\r
103	Turns out using options designed for use on legacy applications\r
104	only on modern applications introduces problems. Lots of Steam\r
105	users have similar problems.\r
106	\r
107	** Re: (Score:2)\r
108	(by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
109	\r
110	\r
111	Wrong. I use the standard DPI settings for the whole screen\r
112	(1.5x on my 27" 4K screen), which only works with programs\r
113	that are DPI-aware. It's true that I didn't notice the blurry\r
114	fonts until I saw the headline, but I really just thought I\r
115	was that tired (I've only had 69 for about a day). At least\r
116	for me, it's fairly mild.\r
117	\r
118	** \r
119	\r
120	** Re: (Score:2)\r
121	(by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
122	\r
123	\r
124	If it looks significantly worse, it could also have\r
125	nothing at all to do with the bug - Chrome is DPI aware\r
126	and should never have that enabled. Especially since\r
127	the bug report doesn't have any mention of anything but\r
128	the system DPI setting.\r
129	\r
130	\r
131	\r
132	** \r
133	\r
134	** Re: (Score:2)\r
135	(by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
136	\r
137	\r
138	So you like the way I word it (No Giggity).\r
139	\r
140	\r
141	\r
142	\r
143	** Re: (Score:3)\r
144	(by Solandri ( 704621 ))\r
145	\r
146	\r
147	The problem is there are three ways to tweak the DPI.\r
148	Compatibility Mode, which can be set on a per-app basis.\r
149	Display scaling, which is set via the Windows desktop and\r
150	affects everything. And Advanced Scaling which Microsoft\r
151	introduced with the Spring Creators Update, which I haven't\r
152	figured out exactly how it's different from the regular\r
153	Display Scaling.\r
154	\r
155	Under the hood, there's also ClearType which runs on top of\r
156	DPI scaling, and does [1]subpixel rendering [grc.com] (using\r
157	the individual red, green, and blue subp\r
158	\r
159	\r
160	\r
161	\r
162	[1] https://www.grc.com/ctwhat.htm\r
163	\r
164	** Re: (Score:2)\r
165	(by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
166	\r
167	\r
168	Looking at some zoomed in screenshots, I think they're\r
169	scaling the subpixel rendering itself (which should never\r
170	happen). There is no reason to have red or blue tint on\r
171	anything but the outermost pixel, but looking at my\r
172	screenshot close up I'm seeing two side-by-side bluish or\r
173	reddish pixels.\r
174	\r
175	\r
176	\r
177	** Re: (Score:2)\r
178	(by Scoth ( 879800 ))\r
179	\r
180	\r
181	Even on Chrome 69 on my multi-DPI work setup I have to turn\r
182	on the DPI scaling compatibility mode/override to not get\r
183	huge dialog boxes and widgets. It's a bit frustrating to me\r
184	that a currently supported, modern app would still have\r
185	problems with that.\r
186	\r
187	\r
188	** Re: (Score:2)\r
189	(by Ingenium13 ( 162116 ))\r
190	\r
191	\r
192	Nope, I have a Windows VM that's essentially stock that I use\r
193	for a couple applications. I had Chrome open in it earlier\r
194	today, and noticed that the fonts were blurry and were giving\r
195	me a headache after a few minutes of use. I thought maybe it\r
196	was something with RDP messing it up, but after I read this,\r
197	I logged in again and verified that the fuzzy fonts are only\r
198	in Chrome. All other applications are fine.\r
199	\r
200	\r
201	** Re: (Score:2)\r
202	(by greenwow ( 3635575 ))\r
203	\r
204	\r
205	And most Windows apps. For most of our users on Windows 10,\r
206	Windows apps have blurry text no matter what settings we try.\r
207	That really sucks for developers that need to read a lot of\r
208	text.\r
209	\r
210	\r
211	** \r
212	\r
213	** Re: I bet you (Score:2)\r
214	(by spongman ( 182339 ))\r
215	\r
216	\r
217	They don't?\r
218	\r
219	\r
220	\r
221	** Not new (Score:2)\r
222	(by Tailhook ( 98486 ))\r
223	\r
224	\r
225	Chrome has been having this problem for certain desktop users\r
226	for a while now. There are workaround flags and whatnot. Just\r
227	another chronic quality problem in Chrome that never gets\r
228	fixed....\r
229	\r
230	** Re: (Score:1)\r
231	(by MidSpeck ( 1516577 ))\r
232	\r
233	\r
234	True. I had to disable "Accelerated 2D canvas" in order to\r
235	get the fuzziness to go away on mine on Chrome 68, which was\r
236	working just fine before that.\r
237	\r
238	\r
239	** \r
240	\r
241	** Re: (Score:2)\r
242	(by Z34107 ( 925136 ))\r
243	\r
244	\r
245	Text wrapping is a "solved" problem, too, but you're still\r
246	doing it by hand for some reason.\r
247	\r
248	\r
249	** While they're at it (Score:2)\r
250	(by Pedestrianwolf ( 1591767 ))\r
251	\r
252	\r
253	..maybe they could also roll back all rounded rectangles they\r
254	added in v69. Everything is so round it feels like I designed it\r
255	in my basement.\r
256	\r
257	** Re: (Score:3)\r
258	(by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ))\r
259	\r
260	\r
261	Chrome has a major UI re-design? Firefox is going to be\r
262	pulling some late nights to catch up!\r
263	\r
264	\r
265	** It's also has performance regressions (Score:2)\r
266	(by Suren Enfiajyan ( 4600031 ))\r
267	\r
268	\r
269	On my Lenovo G570 the latest chrome also has very high CPU usage\r
270	on [1]slither.io game [slither.io] and the game turns into a\r
271	slideshow in places with many snakes. Firefox 61 doesn't suffer\r
272	from the this problem, despite the fact that its slower almost\r
273	in any regard. But not this time.\r
274	\r
275	\r
276	\r
277	\r
278	[1] http://slither.io/\r
279	\r
280	** BSOD (Score:2)\r
281	(by jimbrooking ( 1909170 ))\r
282	\r
283	\r
284	After installing ALL pages I visit are pure black. No text or\r
285	graphics.\r
286	\r
287	** Re: (Score:2)\r
288	(by jimbrooking ( 1909170 ))\r
289	\r
290	\r
291	Fix (Win 7 Home): Uninstall Chrome, delete all browsing date.\r
292	reinstall Chrome, be dazzled by the curviness.\r
293	\r
294	\r
295	** Can someone summarize the linked article? (Score:4, Funny)\r
296	(by kaizendojo ( 956951 ))\r
297	\r
298	\r
299	I upgraded and I can't read it.\r
300	\r
301	** See Jeff Probst ... (Score:2)\r
302	(by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
303	\r
304	\r
305	... about this.\r
306	I remember on Survivor®, back in the day, they had a "blurry\r
307	tit," problem.\r
308	They fixed that by disallowing exposed tits.\r
309	Google should remove the tits from their fonts.\r
310	\r
311	** trivial subdomain hiding (Score:2)\r
312	(by Zaiff Urgulbunger ( 591514 ))\r
313	\r
314	\r
315	So this "trivial subdomain hiding" thing... it's a crap idea\r
316	right?\r
317	\r
318	** Here's my take as a Mac user (Score:2)\r
319	(by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ))\r
320	\r
321	\r
322	First of all, I really hate these thin fonts. They may look neat\r
323	on hi-DPI displays but not everyone has one.\r
324	Secondly, the text on the left screen capture looks like it had\r
325	its pixels hammered to the nearest pixel, which is the typical\r
326	crappy-looking Microsoft anti-aliasing while the text on the\r
327	right looks like normal anti-aliased text to me.\r
328	\r
329	\r