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NR		 1 'I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE OF CONSUMER AI, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE' \r
2 (THEREGISTER.CO.UK) \r
3\r
4 Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (msmash)\r
5 from the there-is-no-spoon dept.\r
6\r
c715ea02 7 o Reference: 0102639856\r
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NR		 8 o News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/205221/ive-seen-the-future-of-consumer-ai-and-it-doesnt-have-one\r
9 o Source link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/05/consumer_ai_ifa_2018_roundup/\r
10\r
11\r
12 Andrew Orlowski of The Register recounts all the gadgets\r
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NR		 13 [1]supercharged with AI that he came across at IFA tradeshow\r
14 last week -- and wonders what value AI brought to the table .\r
15 He writes:\r
16 \r
17 > I didn't see a blockchain toothbrush at IFA in Berlin last\r
18 week, but I'm sure there was one lurking about somewhere. With\r
19 30 vast halls to cover, I didn't look too hard for it. But I\r
20 did see many things almost as tragic that no one could miss --\r
21 AI being squeezed into almost every conceivable bit of\r
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NR		 22 consumer electronics. But none were convincing. If ever there\r
23 was a solution looking for a problem, it's ramming AI into\r
24 gadgets to show of a company's machine learning prowess. For\r
25 the consumer it adds unreliability, cost and complexity, and\r
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NR		 26 the annoyance of being prompted.\r
27 \r
28 >\r
29 \r
30 > [...] Back to LG, which takes 2018's prize for sticking AI\r
31 into a superfluous gadget. The centrepiece of its AI efforts\r
32 this year is a robot, ClOi. Put Google Assistant or Alexa on\r
33 wheels, and you have ClOi. I asked the booth person what\r
34 exactly ClOi could do to be told "it can take notes for your\r
35 shopping list." Why wasn't this miracle of the Fourth\r
36 Industrial Revolution let loose on the LG floor? I wondered --\r
37 a question answered by this account of ClOi's debut at CES in\r
38 January. Clearly things haven't improved much -- this robot\r
39 buddy was kept indoors.\r
40 \r
41 \r
42 \r
43 [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/05/consumer_ai_ifa_2-\r
44 018_roundup/\r
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NR		 45\r
46\r
47 ** Stupid industry fads (Score:5, Funny)\r
48 (by Spy Handler ( 822350 ))\r
49\r
50 \r
51 3D printer in every home will fundamentally change human society\r
52 IoT internet connected belt buckles and toothbrushes will take\r
53 over the world\r
54 AI will revolutionize consumer electronics\r
55 Net PC from Sun will dominate the computer industry (this one is\r
56 really old)\r
57\r
58 ** Re:Stupid industry fads (Score:5, Insightful)\r
59 (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
60\r
61 \r
62 Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of\r
63 disillusionment. But as the TOD fades, plenty of mature,\r
64 practical applications are likely to emerge. The\r
65 technological naysayers are usually even more wrong than the\r
66 hypesters.\r
67 [1]Hype cycle [wikipedia.org]\r
68 \r
69 \r
70 \r
71 \r
72 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle\r
73\r
74 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
75 (by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ))\r
76\r
77 \r
78 > Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of\r
79 > disillusionment.\r
80 Pro Tip: Get out in front and mention this *before* taking\r
81 your date home. Better for her to hear it from you than\r
82 her working it out on her own ... :-)\r
83\r
84\r
85 ** Re:Stupid industry fads (Score:4, Insightful)\r
86 (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
87\r
88 \r
89 If smart phones and tablets are any indicator ...\r
90 AI, too, is an evolutionary dead end.\r
91 It's a buzz word with a vacuous definition.\r
92\r
93 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
94 (by Q-Hack! ( 37846 ))\r
95\r
96 \r
97 Not a lot different than back in the 1950's when the\r
98 trend was to create all manor of odd gadgets to make\r
99 life easier. Those deemed useful are still around...\r
100 The rest can be found in junk markets around the world.\r
101 But hey, the Cracker-barrel's of the future will still\r
102 need stuff to decorate their walls with.\r
103\r
104 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
105 (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
106\r
107 \r
108 In reaction to your sig:\r
109 I recently re-read "Nineteen Eighty-Four," because\r
110 my first reading was so long ago.\r
111 Good read, but what a goddam depressing book!\r
112\r
113\r
114\r
115\r
116 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
117 (by magzteel ( 5013587 ))\r
118\r
119 \r
120 > Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of\r
121 > disillusionment. But as the TOD fades, plenty of mature,\r
122 > practical applications are likely to emerge. The\r
123 > technological naysayers are usually even more wrong than\r
124 > the hypesters.\r
125 > [1]Hype cycle [wikipedia.org]\r
126 Back in the early PC days, when you had to hook up a\r
127 cassette player to load your application, and then another\r
128 one to load your data, we used to tell people they could\r
129 store recipes on their TRS-80 personal computer. This was\r
130 not much of a productivity enhancer. I'm sure based on\r
131 this experience some people would have thought PC's were\r
132 useless and had no future.\r
133 And then floppy disks and spreadsheets were invented.\r
134 \r
135 \r
136 \r
137 \r
138 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle\r
139\r
140\r
141 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
142 (by jythie ( 914043 ))\r
143\r
144 \r
145 It is really difficult to say if the naysayers or\r
146 hypesters are more often right or wrong. One problem with\r
147 looking back at negative guesses is we only really\r
148 remember the ones that turned out to be wrong since the\r
149 evidence is in modern use today, while all the naysayers\r
150 that we right, well, the things they were right about\r
151 faded into obscurity.\r
152\r
153 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
154 (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
155\r
156 \r
157 You only count as a "true" naysayer if you are negative\r
158 about an overhyped trend with groupies and fanbois, not\r
159 about an obviously stupid idea.\r
160 The naysayers were right about the Segway, but that was\r
161 an easy target, since it reached peak hype before it\r
162 had even been shown to the public.\r
163 Other tech failures were Iridium, Zune, Pebble,\r
164 Juicero. But none of these were hyped as world changing\r
165 technology.\r
166\r
167\r
168\r
169 ** \r
170\r
171 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
172 (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
173\r
174 \r
175 > In the long term only 1/20 companies really make it.\r
176 Success of a technology is rarely correlated with the\r
177 success of particular companies. Silicon Valley is\r
178 littered with plaques marking the graves of\r
179 semiconductor pioneering companies. Few of them\r
180 survived. Yet semiconductors have been the greatest\r
181 technological success since fire was tamed.\r
182 For another example, look at aviation. It took 66 years\r
183 to go from Kitty Hawk to the Sea of Tranquility. Yet\r
184 how many airlines made money during those years? Almost\r
185 none.\r
186\r
187\r
188\r
189\r
190 ** Re: (Score:1)\r
191 (by atherophage ( 2481624 ))\r
192\r
193 \r
194 Prognosticators have been wrong before. While it is easy to\r
195 poke fun at the unusual who knows, perhaps in a few years\r
196 dental floss will come with AI. The thought of not having AI\r
197 floss will be unthinkable.\r
198\r
199\r
200 ** Re: (Score:3, Interesting)\r
201 (by Anonymous Coward)\r
202\r
203 \r
204 As much as I am a nerd, I blame "nerds" for this. There is\r
205 this whole new fad of being a "techie", watching Big Bang\r
206 Theory, owning a Tesla, and generally being absolutely\r
207 ignorant about real science, technology and math while\r
208 "pretending" to be a nerd. I used "pretending" but there may\r
209 be some legitimate attempt but it is hard to tell if someone\r
210 is a fake nerd or just a stupid nerd. I think this trend\r
211 partly follows from women trying to follow the (tech) money\r
212 and then men trying to follow the women.\r
213 This\r
214\r
215 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
216 (by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *)\r
217\r
218 \r
219 I don't know that there's a lot of these people but they\r
220 do exist, for certain yes. The 'watching big bang theory'\r
221 is the kicker, once someone admits watching that, you know\r
222 they're very unlikely to be a 'proper nerd' for lack of a\r
223 better term.\r
224 Considering they only have partial skills in technology\r
225 then, we can likely guess, if they work in the industry,\r
226 they're probably higher on the ladder than us and paid\r
227 more though :/ like most management / consultant types.\r
228\r
229\r
230\r
231 ** Re: (Score:3)\r
232 (by JMJimmy ( 2036122 ))\r
233\r
234 \r
235 The thing no one can consider is time.\r
236 "AI" being jammed into things now is probably lame, awkward,\r
237 and of very limited use. Much like computers were back in the\r
238 punch card days with devices that. Less than 100 years later\r
239 we've got computers in our pocket. We are in the early days\r
240 of AI - we'll look back on it decades from now as we do with\r
241 things like: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?...\r
242 [youtube.com]\r
243 This article is just another example of someone who can't see\r
244 past their nose to the road ahead and the million differen\r
245 \r
246 \r
247 \r
248 \r
249 [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7MHZY2ADI\r
250\r
251\r
252 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
253 (by AHuxley ( 892839 ))\r
254\r
255 \r
256 Good for a few workers over the decade of hype.\r
257\r
258\r
259 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
260 (by m00sh ( 2538182 ))\r
261\r
262 \r
263 > 3D printer in every home will fundamentally change human\r
264 > society\r
265 > IoT internet connected belt buckles and toothbrushes will\r
266 > take over the world\r
267 > AI will revolutionize consumer electronics\r
268 > Net PC from Sun will dominate the computer industry (this one\r
269 > is really old)\r
270 I don't know about home but it plays a big part in\r
271 manufacturing. There are very specialized and successful\r
272 medical companies that use 3d printing.\r
273 Don't know about belt buckles but fitbit, apple watch, garmin\r
274 has been worth billions of dollars and fundamentally changed\r
275 the way a lot of people do things.\r
276 I don't know about NetPC but what about the cloud? The hype\r
277 that we would all put all our stuff in the cloud blah blah\r
278 actually materialized. There are many companies who own no\r
279 hardware except the dev la\r
280\r
281\r
282 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
283 (by lokedhs ( 672255 ))\r
284\r
285 \r
286 Net PC was not from Sun. I should I know, I worked for them\r
287 during that era. What they had was JavaStation, which was a\r
288 neat idea but ahead of its time. That concept is now realised\r
289 by the Chromebook. Net PC was a Compaq thing, if I recall\r
290 correctly. However, Wikipedia tells me it was Oracle, so\r
291 perhaps the Compaq device was called something else.\r
292\r
293\r
294 ** \r
295\r
296 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
297 (by bobbied ( 2522392 ))\r
298\r
299 \r
300 > Example: Apple will go under...any day now....since 1984\r
301 But they've been totally correct in not predicting the "Year\r
302 of the Linux Desktop" has come.\r
303 You win a few and lose a few.\r
304\r
305 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
306 (by jythie ( 914043 ))\r
307\r
308 \r
309 *nod* to expand on this.... true, Apple never did go\r
310 under. But look how many computer companies started up\r
311 around the same time and did. It is fun to look at the\r
312 successes and compare them to the naysayers who were\r
313 wrong, but the ones who were right, well, their\r
314 predictions did not leave much to talk about today.\r
315\r
316\r
317\r
318 ** \r
319\r
320 ** Re:Now With AI! (Score:5, Informative)\r
321 (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
322\r
323 \r
324 > Gee, I could have sworn we already HAD the AI craze back in\r
325 > the late 80s. Or was it early 90s?\r
326 It was the 1980s. It had faded long before 1990.\r
327 But there was an earlier AI craze in the 1960s, based on\r
328 perceptrons. That faded by 1970.\r
329 The 1980 AI hype cycle was driven by "expert systems" and\r
330 "Lisp machines".\r
331 The latest cycle started in 2006 with the publication of the\r
332 [1]seminal paper on deep learning [sciencemag.org], and has\r
333 so far lasted far longer than any previous AI hype cycle.\r
334 \r
335 \r
336 \r
337 \r
338 [1] http://science.sciencemag.org/content/313/5786/504\r
339\r
340 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
341 (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
342\r
343 \r
344 I go way back, too.\r
345 AI had an unambiguous definition that eroded under stress\r
346 because the industry came to the realization that the "I"\r
347 part (intelligence) used the human mind as the high bar.\r
348 The second epiphany came when no one could fabricate an AI\r
349 that would simply refuse to cooperate if Facebook was\r
350 unreachable.\r
351\r
352\r
353 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
354 (by Pseudonym ( 62607 ))\r
355\r
356 \r
357 In the 90s it was all "knowledge-based systems" and in the\r
358 noughties it was all "intelligent agents".\r
359\r
360 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
361 (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
362\r
363 \r
364 > In the 90s it was all "knowledge-based systems" and in\r
365 > the noughties it was all "intelligent agents".\r
366 Yes, but those generated far less hype than what\r
367 happened in the 60s, 80s, and teenies.\r
368 The big things in the 90s and noughties were the web\r
369 and e-commerce.\r
370\r
371\r
372\r
373 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
374 (by CWCheese ( 729272 ))\r
375\r
376 \r
377 Thanks for the Lisp reference! I fondly remember learning\r
378 Lisp in an AI class during college in the 80s. Actually\r
379 enjoyed programming Lisp because it could be so terse and\r
380 do so much very rapidly. However, we really had no good\r
381 applications to use for it, other than having an\r
382 application learn the best way to win a chess game. I\r
383 chose not to pursue AI as a career and haven't suffered\r
384 for that.\r
385\r
386 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
387 (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
388\r
389 \r
390 > I chose not to pursue AI as a career and haven't\r
391 > suffered for that.\r
392 Learning Lisp would not have helped you. Modern AI uses\r
393 mostly Python based libraries such as Tensorflow and\r
394 PyTorch. C++ is used for performance critical stuff.\r
395 Nobody uses Lisp for AI anymore. It was a dead end.\r
396\r
397\r
398\r
399 ** Fifth Generation (Score:2)\r
400 (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
401\r
402 \r
403 Fueling the hype in the 1980s AI cycle was the Japanese\r
404 Fifth Generation project, for which a stated goal was to\r
405 leapfrog the West's computer technology and skills. People\r
406 like Edward Feigenbaum and Pamela McCorduck used the FUD\r
407 generated around this project to call for increased\r
408 funding, claiming in their 1983 book 'The Fifth\r
409 Generation: Japan’s Computer Challenge to the World' that\r
410 "America needs a national plan of action, a kind of space\r
411 shuttle program for the knowledge systems of the future."\r
412 A\r
413\r
414\r
415\r
416 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
417 (by Torodung ( 31985 ))\r
418\r
419 \r
420 > Cats on the blockchain, anyone?\r
421 Well, at the very least, every zig should be on the\r
422 blockchain. Don't know about Cats.\r
423\r
424\r
425 ** You can stop reading at "Orlowski" (Score:4, Interesting)\r
426 (by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ))\r
427\r
428 \r
429 Andrew Orlowski of The Register is basically a professional\r
430 dickhead. His main goal seems to be to be as obnoxious and\r
431 ignorant as possible presumably with the goal of trolling the\r
432 readership. He's pretty much the reason I stopped reading the\r
433 Register because of the constant streem of utter bullshit from\r
434 that guy.\r
435\r
436 ** Re:You can stop reading at "Orlowski" (Score:4, Interesting)\r
437 (by starless ( 60879 ))\r
438\r
439 \r
440 And also appears to be climate change denier....\r
441 (at least for some of his Register articles.)\r
442\r
443\r
444 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
445 (by TJ_Phazerhacki ( 520002 ))\r
446\r
447 \r
448 So, Walt Mossberg for a new generation? Shutup!\r
449\r
450\r
451 ** AI in a Toaster! (Score:2)\r
452 (by Zorro ( 15797 ))\r
453\r
454 \r
455 Red Dwarf has already shown why this is a BAD Idea.\r
456 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhnN4eUiei4\r
457\r
458 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
459 (by Revek ( 133289 ))\r
460\r
461 \r
462 Please learn basic html K, thanks.\r
463\r
464 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
465 (by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *)\r
466\r
467 \r
468 How about slashdot stop being entirely backwards with that\r
469 shit instead?\r
470\r
471\r
472\r
473 ** \r
474\r
475 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
476 (by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ))\r
477\r
478 \r
479 But I do like being able to verbally ask my phone to navigate\r
480 to a contact, without having to squint at a screen in the\r
481 sun, and get turn by turn directions. Digital assistants have\r
482 slipped into a place in my life where they do a few useful\r
483 things. As time goes on, this set will grow larger.\r
484 But I know: "If it works, it's not AI!" "If it's AI, it won't\r
485 work!"\r
486\r
487\r
488 ** Aibo (Score:1)\r
489 (by Anonymous Coward)\r
490\r
491 \r
492 If Sony's Aibo lives up to the demos I have seen - that would be\r
493 one big application. AI as a pet.\r
494 I also use AI (maybe more ML) all the time with photo sorting,\r
495 image recognition, etc. It is already in the home.\r
496\r
497 ** OP must be joking... (Score:4, Insightful)\r
498 (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
499\r
500 \r
501 ... because consumer AI is *ALREADY* ubiquitous and all around\r
502 us.\r
503 From the face detection in your phone, to the fuzzy logic\r
504 controllers in washing machines, to the ant colony algorithms\r
505 being used to route network traffic, to finding directions with\r
506 google maps, to Netflix and Amazon's recommendation algorithms,\r
507 to OCR for cheques and mail, to NEST thermostats, to robot\r
508 vacuum cleaners and lawn mowers, to expert systems in medical\r
509 diagnosis... (I could keep going)\r
510 AI in consumer products is literally *already* ALL around us.\r
511 Saying that consumer AI "has no future" is like looking around\r
512 at the world today and saying "personal cars have no future" -\r
513 it's completely idiotic because to anyone with half an ounce of\r
514 perception that future is ALREADY here.\r
515 It's like looking at a forest and claiming there are no trees\r
516\r
517 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
518 (by grahamsz ( 150076 ))\r
519\r
520 \r
521 Yeah it seems like it is a natural fit in optimizing the\r
522 things we do.\r
523 Even though I don't routinely use my phone as an alarm clock,\r
524 it still knows when i'm likely to get up and if I plug it in\r
525 at bed time it'll do a good job of figuring out when i'm\r
526 likely to get up and adjusts its charging rate to be done\r
527 about an hour before then. Yet if I plug it in a 3pm then\r
528 it'll assume i want as much charge as possible and charge as\r
529 fast as it can. It's not rocket science, but it's useful.\r
530 Do I need a dishwasher with\r
531\r
532 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
533 (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
534\r
535 \r
536 > Do I need a dishwasher with a screen that I can talk to?\r
537 Nope, but I'm willing to bet it has an embedded fuzzy\r
538 logic controller in it to control water levels.\r
539\r
540\r
541 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
542 (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
543\r
544 \r
545 "Do I need a dishwasher with a screen that I can talk to?"\r
546 Printers have a screen. You can't talk to it (at least\r
547 you're not supposed to--when aggravated, I've been know to\r
548 do so, and not kindly). But try to decipher what's on that\r
549 screen. I claim that printers are not any easier to use\r
550 than they were in 1984 (which is when I got my first dot\r
551 matrix printer). You (ok, I) *still* can't figure out\r
552 what's wrong with them, despite the screen.\r
553\r
554\r
555\r
556 ** \r
557\r
558 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
559 (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
560\r
561 \r
562 > None of the tings you mention actually contain any real\r
563 > artificial intelligence in the sense of being able to\r
564 > making decisions in the face of unknown circumstances and\r
565 > data sources.\r
566 They do actually.\r
567 Roombas have to be able to adapt to unknown obstacles and\r
568 uncertain sensory input (could get blocked, partially\r
569 occluded etc...).\r
570 Embedded fuzzy logic controllers (also used in anti-lock\r
571 brakes) have to be able to maintain a steady output signal\r
572 given uncertain input (wear and tear on the mechanics,\r
573 grit...) that can vary wildly in an unknown manner.\r
574 OCR systems need to be able to tell the difference between\r
575 a cheque and unknown things, like night club flyers, and\r
576 they deal with hand written\r
577\r
578\r
579\r
580 ** Re: (Score:1)\r
581 (by AHuxley ( 892839 ))\r
582\r
583 \r
584 Re "face detection" is not AI. Its a really big and fast\r
585 database. Filled with faces the police know about and random\r
586 people walking past CCTV.\r
587 Re "fuzzy logic controllers in washing machines" A set amount\r
588 of power, water, weight of laundry is not AI. Just good\r
589 programming within set limits.\r
590 Re "'finding directions" with maps that are created and set.\r
591 Re "recommendation algorithms" that is set by past people\r
592 buying things and another person showing the same interests.\r
593 More to do with collecting lots\r
594\r
595 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
596 (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
597\r
598 \r
599 > ..."face detection" is not AI. Its a really big and fast\r
600 > database. Filled with faces the police know...\r
601 ...and just HOW do the faces "police know" get matched to\r
602 this database? Explain without reference to AI.\r
603 > ..."fuzzy logic controllers in washing machines" A set\r
604 > amount of power, water, weight of laundry is not AI.\r
605 No it isn't, but you're a fool if you think your washing\r
606 machine is that simple these days. It DOES take fuzzy\r
607 logic to adapt to things like wear and tear on the\r
608 machine, arbitrarily changing water pressures and\r
609 temperatures, etc... and still maintain consistent\r
610 performance.\r
611 > "'finding directions" with maps that are created and set.\r
612 ...and using AI algorithms to find the best path.\r
613 Blah blah blah... you get the point. You've deliberately\r
614 downplayed the AI aspect\r
615\r
616\r
617\r
618 ** \r
619\r
620 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
621 (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
622\r
623 \r
624 You are clearly uneducated, Troll.\r
625 If you actually wish to enlighten yourself, I'd start\r
626 here: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]\r
627 \r
628 \r
629 \r
630 \r
631 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence\r
632\r
633\r
634\r
635 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
636 (by hazem ( 472289 ))\r
637\r
638 \r
639 > From the face detection in your phone, to the fuzzy logic\r
640 > controllers in washing machines, to the ant colony algorithms\r
641 > being used to route network traffic, to finding directions\r
642 > with google maps, to Netflix and Amazon's recommendation\r
643 > algorithms, to OCR for cheques and mail, to NEST thermostats,\r
644 > to robot vacuum cleaners and lawn mowers, to expert systems\r
645 > in medical diagnosis... (I could keep going)\r
646 When I took an AI class a few years ago, one of my favorite\r
647 things the professor said was, "What we called 'AI' yesterday\r
648 is simply the algorithm for how we do a thing today."\r
649\r
650\r
651 ** AI's Strength (Score:2)\r
652 (by thePsychologist ( 1062886 ))\r
653\r
654 \r
655 AI (i.e. machine learning/neural networks) is really good at\r
656 optimizing stuff, so its natural strength shows when you have\r
657 hundreds of thousands of entities in a system. Examples are the\r
658 electricity grid, playing Go, and a department store's\r
659 inventory.\r
660 In our individual lives, AI seems more like another drop in the\r
661 bucket of too much technology, and I think one day we'll realize\r
662 that less is more when it comes to the stuff in our homes.\r
663\r
664 ** Getting concerned myself (Score:1)\r
665 (by SuperKendall ( 25149 ))\r
666\r
667 \r
668 I was looking at new fridges recently as a friend was asking for\r
669 a recommendation, and it's alarming how trying to find a fridge\r
670 without a screen is getting to be like trying to find a cell\r
671 phone without a camera... it really limits your options.\r
672 The only way they could make fridges any worse is the if screens\r
673 also played CNN constantly when not in use, like in an\r
674 airport... you can absolutely see subsidized ad-fridges coming\r
675 down the pipeline.\r
676\r
677 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
678 (by lgw ( 121541 ))\r
679\r
680 \r
681 Seems like only the highest and lowest-end fridges lack\r
682 screens these days (as well as ice/water in the door,\r
683 something else I could do without).\r
684\r
685 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
686 (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
687\r
688 \r
689 Come to my house. The refr *has* an ice/water dispenser in\r
690 the door, but it hasn't worked for over a year. I think\r
691 the tube to the water dispenser is frozen, and if it gets\r
692 thawed, it just freezes up again. Same with the water\r
693 dispenser on the refr nearest my office at work.\r
694 As for the ice dispenser on our refr, we never used it, so\r
695 I took it out and got lots more room in the freezer. If we\r
696 want ice cubes, we make them in trays, like the 1960s.\r
697\r
698\r
699\r
700 ** \r
701\r
702 ** Re: (Score:3)\r
703 (by sheramil ( 921315 ))\r
704\r
705 \r
706 > What the hell does a fridge need a screen for?\r
707 You can connect it to a webcam inside the fridge and see\r
708 if the light goes out when you close the door.\r
709\r
710\r
711\r
712 ** I remember a time... (Score:2)\r
713 (by Dallas May ( 4891515 ))\r
714\r
715 \r
716 My uncle was a computer scientist for a National Lab. He retired\r
717 15 or so years ago. I remember just after my grandmother first\r
718 got internet, he didn't have it at his home yet because he\r
719 didn't believe it was safe -this was probably 1997 or 98, and I\r
720 remember him talking to me about how disappointed he was with\r
721 the internet. "It was supposed to be this great thing. It's\r
722 useless. It'll never amount to anything."\r
723 Yeah, he was wrong.\r
724\r
725 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
726 (by bobbied ( 2522392 ))\r
727\r
728 \r
729 > My uncle was a computer scientist for a National Lab. He\r
730 > retired 15 or so years ago. I remember just after my\r
731 > grandmother first got internet, he didn't have it at his home\r
732 > yet because he didn't believe it was safe -this was probably\r
733 > 1997 or 98, and I remember him talking to me about how\r
734 > disappointed he was with the internet. "It was supposed to be\r
735 > this great thing. It's useless. It'll never amount to\r
736 > anything."\r
737 > Yeah, he was wrong.\r
738 Was he? Was he really?\r
739 How much of the internet is truly useful and how much is just\r
740 trash? Judging by my inbox, the number of E-mail in my inbox\r
741 the ratio 1s more than 10 to 1 SPAM to worth while messages\r
742 (And that's AFTER the SPAM filters.)\r
743 I find that this ratio pretty much governs the whole of the\r
744 internet.. Where 1/10th of it is actually something of use\r
745 and the rest is just useless junk.\r
746 So he's not that wrong.\r
747\r
748\r
749 ** \r
750\r
751 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
752 (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
753\r
754 \r
755 And here you (and I) are.\r
756\r
757\r
758\r
759 ** I heard... (Score:1)\r
760 (by Hentai007 ( 188457 ))\r
761\r
762 \r
763 AI is turning frogs gay.\r
764\r
765 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
766 (by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *)\r
767\r
768 \r
769 That's actually not true, the frogs are only gay for pay.\r
770\r
771\r
772 ** Nobody buys something because of AI (Score:3)\r
773 (by Laxator2 ( 973549 ))\r
774\r
775 \r
776 I did not see any example where someone says: "I did not buy\r
777 that product because it lacked AI".\r
778 I did not hear from anyone that they need AI so they are going\r
779 out of their way to buy it. In its current form AI is good for\r
780 pattern recognition in some cases, for example, face\r
781 identification in photos.\r
782 The only customers are corporations with massive collections of\r
783 personal data to analyze, but not individual consumers.\r
784 I believe AI has been over-hyped and pushed in areas where it is\r
785 not usable in its current form (like self-driving cars) and we\r
786 start to see the backlash.\r
787 I've already seen stories saying that the medical diagnoses made\r
788 by IBM's Watson are just plain wrong. More examples will follow.\r
789\r
790 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
791 (by m00sh ( 2538182 ))\r
792\r
793 \r
794 > I did not see any example where someone says: "I did not buy\r
795 > that product because it lacked AI".\r
796 > I did not hear from anyone that they need AI so they are\r
797 > going out of their way to buy it. In its current form AI is\r
798 > good for pattern recognition in some cases, for example, face\r
799 > identification in photos. The only customers are corporations\r
800 > with massive collections of personal data to analyze, but not\r
801 > individual consumers. I believe AI has been over-hyped and\r
802 > pushed in areas where it is not usable in its current form\r
803 > (like self-driving cars) and we start to see the backlash.\r
804 > I've already seen stories saying that the medical diagnoses\r
805 > made by IBM's Watson are just plain wrong. More examples will\r
806 > follow.\r
807 What about Google home and Alexa?\r
808 How do you recognize pedestrians in self-driving cars without\r
809 AI?\r
810 IBM Watson was wrong quite a bit but it won jeopardy.\r
811\r
812\r
813 ** First they ignore you, ... (Score:1)\r
814 (by Maxo-Texas ( 864189 ))\r
815\r
816 \r
817 First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight\r
818 you, then you win.\r
819 Mahatma Gandhi\r
820 This field is moving so fast compared to the 90s.\r
821\r
822 ** It's a dead end because it's not very good anyway (Score:2)\r
823 (by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ))\r
824\r
825 \r
826 So-called 'AI' is over-hyped and under-performing.\r
827\r
828 ** Another AI winter? (Score:2)\r
829 (by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ))\r
830\r
831 \r
832 The AI bubble seems to be starting to deflate. It may not pop,\r
833 but it will likely carry on shrinking. Most people already know\r
834 that Alex and co. are little more than gimmicks, good for party\r
835 games, grins and giggles, and little more. The AI community\r
836 seems to be making the same mistakes they made in the late 60s\r
837 and 70s. The second AI winter is nigh.\r
838\r
839 ** how do you see non-existent things ? (Score:2)\r
840 (by bingoUV ( 1066850 ))\r
841\r
842 \r
843 If Consumer AI doesn't have a future, how can that non-existent\r
844 future be seen ?\r
845 In an alternative interpretation, the author has seen the future\r
846 of Consumer AI and so of course it exists. But the future of the\r
847 future of Consumer AI doesn't exist. I.e. Future of Consumer AI\r
848 doesn't have one - where "one" stands for future.\r
849 Any other interpretations ?\r
850\r
851 ** It's not "Consumer AI" (Score:1)\r
852 (by themusicgod1 ( 241799 ))\r
853\r
854 \r
855 Since the consumer is not control of it.\r
856 \r
857 It's Anti-Consumer AI if anything\r
858\r
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