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1 STUDY FINDS PROBIOTICS 'NOT AS BENEFICIAL FOR GUT HEALTH AS \r
2 PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT' (THEGUARDIAN.COM) \r
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4 Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (BeauHD)\r
5 from the contrary-to-popular-belief dept.\r
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c715ea02 7 o Reference: 0102641010\r
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8 o News link: https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/2153223/study-finds-probiotics-not-as-beneficial-for-gut-health-as-previously-thought\r
9 o Source link: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/06/probiotics-not-as-beneficial-for-gut-health-as-previously-thought\r
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12 An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian:\r
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14 > The gut microbiome is the sum total of all the\r
15 micro-organisms living in a person's gut, and has been shown\r
16 to play a huge role in human health. New research has found\r
17 probiotics -- usually taken as supplements or in foods such as\r
18 yoghurt, kimchi or kefir -- [1]can hinder a patient's gut\r
19 microbiome from returning to normal after a course of\r
20 antibiotics , and that different people respond to probiotics\r
21 in dramatically different ways. In the [2]first of two papers\r
22 published in the journal Cell, researchers performed\r
23 endoscopies and colonoscopies to sample and study the gut\r
24 microbiomes of people who took antibiotics before and after\r
25 probiotic consumption. Another group were given samples of\r
26 their own gut microbiomes collected before consuming\r
27 antibiotics. The researchers found the microbiomes of those\r
28 who had taken the probiotics had suffered a "very severe\r
29 disturbance." "Once the probiotics had colonized the gut, they\r
30 completely inhibited the return of the indigenous microbiome\r
31 which was disrupted during antibiotic treatment," said Eran\r
32 Elinav, an immunologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science\r
33 in Israel and lead author on the studies.\r
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37 > The scientists also compared the gut microbiomes of the gut\r
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38 intestinal tract of 25 volunteers with that of their stools.\r
39 They found that stool bacteria only partially correlated with\r
40 the microbiomes functioning inside their bodies. "So the fact\r
41 that we all almost exclusively rely on stool in our microbiome\r
42 research may not be a reliable way of studying gut microbiome\r
e818d449 43 health," said Elinav. In the [3]second paper , the researchers\r
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44 examined the colonization and impact of probiotics on 15\r
45 people by sampling within their gastrointestinal tract. They\r
46 divided the individuals into two groups: one were given a\r
47 preparation made of 11 strains of very commonly used\r
48 probiotics and the other were given a placebo. Of those who\r
49 were given probiotics, he said, "We could group the\r
50 individuals into two distinct groups: one which resisted the\r
51 colonisation of the probiotics, and one in which the\r
52 probiotics colonized the gut and modified the composition of\r
53 the gut microbiome and the genes of the host individual."\r
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57 [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/06/probiotics-\r
58 not-as-beneficial-for-gut-health-as-previously-thought\r
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60 [2] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(18)31102-4\r
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62 [3] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(18)31108-5\r
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65 ** \r
66\r
67 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
68 (by jblues ( 1703158 ))\r
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70 \r
71 Bacteria are are naturally present in raw fruit and\r
72 vegetables and naturally fermented foods, including naturally\r
73 fermented bread. Most cold climate cultures relied on\r
74 fermented vegetables to get them through the winter. Salt\r
75 fermentation of raw vegetables allows the lactobacillus\r
76 bacterias to proliferate. Almost all of the sugars are\r
77 consumed, however most of the rest of nutritional profile is\r
78 intact, including the vitamin C. In some cases the\r
79 nutritional profile is enhanced. This is why viking sailors\r
80 di\r
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82\r
83 ** Bitter sweet (Score:3, Informative)\r
84 (by Anonymous Coward)\r
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86 \r
87 Been saying this for years. I get some people have IBS but the\r
88 reliance on things like yogurt is crazy.\r
89 Fun little tip for a stomach ache - saliva. Let it build in your\r
90 mouth (without water) and swallow in one gulp. Not only does it\r
91 give your mouth a natural way to break down any bateria / sugar,\r
92 but helps to calm your gut. Mouthwash is the nuclear option.\r
93 So much of how your body functions comes down to diet. It's\r
94 interesting they do not go into what foods were consumed.\r
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96 ** \r
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98 ** Re: (Score:3)\r
99 (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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101 \r
102 The "S" stands for syndrome, which identifies it as a\r
103 collection of symptoms and not a disease. It's a diagnosis\r
104 only in that there are good ways to treat the symptoms\r
105 even when you don't understand the root cause fully.\r
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108\r
109 ** I guess it's back to (Score:2)\r
110 (by bobstreo ( 1320787 ))\r
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113 shit transplants for the health crazed. /s\r
114 Seriously, is anything really good or really bad for you in\r
115 moderation?\r
116\r
117 ** Don't take probiotic pills (Score:5, Insightful)\r
118 (by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ))\r
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120 \r
121 Don't waste your money on probiotic capsules. If you want to try\r
122 to increase the amount or variety of bacteria in your guts,\r
123 there are tons of delicious foods that are chock full of\r
124 probiotics. Olives, pickles, fermented meats like the Italian\r
125 delicacy soprasetta (which might be the tastiest thing ever\r
126 invented by humans). Kimchi is also good, but it will make you\r
127 smell bad, so if you're single, you might want to go easy on the\r
128 kimchi.\r
129 Also, if you use vinegar on salads, try getting some of that\r
130 good cider vinegar that still has the "mother" in it. Shake the\r
131 bottle and use like any other vinegar. And of course, yogurt,\r
132 kefir, that kind of stuff is delicious too.\r
133 I'm not crazy about kombucha. It's a big fad now and there are\r
134 places here in California that have kombucha on tap, but it's\r
135 not really to my taste. Some people swear by it. I notice that\r
136 now when you buy it in the store, they ask for an ID since\r
137 there's a small amount of alcohol in it.\r
138 Also, alcohol is not really good for your gut bacteria, but\r
139 there are more important things in life than gut bacteria, you\r
140 know? Just eat a lot of different kinds of food and you'll end\r
141 up with good gut bacteria without even trying.\r
142\r
143 ** Re: Don't take probiotic pills (Score:3)\r
144 (by ljw1004 ( 764174 ))\r
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146 \r
147 Why would you advise people on natural sources of probiotics\r
148 - in response to an article which said that they're either\r
149 ineffectual or actually bad?\r
150\r
151 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
152 (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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155 They likely contain a lot more biodiversity vs. a\r
156 monoculture or handful of strains in probiotic\r
157 supplements. And they would still probably be ineffectual\r
158 most of the time, except after antibiotic use. This study\r
159 doesn't cover any of that. Of course if you're trying to\r
160 feed the microbiome you already have, eating unfermented\r
161 vegetables makes more sense as they still have the complex\r
162 sugars like oligosaccharides, fructans and so on that\r
163 would feed it. That depends on whether you are\r
164 repopulating after an\r
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167 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
168 (by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ))\r
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171 > Why would you advise people on natural sources of\r
172 > probiotics - in response to an article which said that\r
173 > they're either ineffectual or actually bad?\r
174 Because on the high probability that this new "study"\r
175 actually gets overturned by future research, I want people\r
176 to know they can eat delicious healthy food.\r
177 Remember when fats were bad? And coffee? And wine was good\r
178 for you? And eggs were bad for you? And low-fat diets were\r
179 good for losing weight?\r
180 And chocolate was bad for you? Do you need me to go on?\r
181 When\r
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185 ** Makes sense to me. (Score:5, Informative)\r
186 (by Vegan Cyclist ( 1650427 ))\r
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189 Most probiotics are a pretty small range of bacteria, and I\r
190 don't know if I've ever seen anywhere that confirms these are\r
191 actually the ones we want on a large scale...especially when\r
192 some supplements have pretty large doses of these.\r
193 From all the reading I've done it seems the best direction will\r
194 be to focus on prebiotics, aka the foods that the microbiome\r
195 thrives on, which is typically fibrous vegetable matter. Feed\r
196 the good ones you've got (rather than trying to implant others),\r
197 and you'll probably be better off.\r
198\r
199 ** This study is done by morons (Score:2)\r
200 (by gurps_npc ( 621217 ))\r
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202 \r
203 What idiot thinks that if you give pills of a specific biome you\r
204 will get something BESIDES that specific biome???? Look, if you\r
205 take probiotic pills, you are replacing your normal biome WITH\r
206 the biome of the pills.\r
207 That was the presumed GOAL of taking the pills. The fact that\r
208 your biome change is the thing you were trying to do, that's why\r
209 you take the pills.\r
210 If you have a blue car, and then paint it with red paint you are\r
211 an idiot if you complain that the car is no longer red.\r
212 There are lots of good reas\r
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214 ** Re: (Score:2)\r
215 (by omnichad ( 1198475 ))\r
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218 > Look, if you take probiotic pills, you are replacing your\r
219 > normal biome WITH the biome of the pills.\r
220 The study concluded the opposite (in all cases except with\r
221 antibiotic use). And the results are surprising. What it\r
222 sounds like is happening is that all of the bacteria in the\r
223 probiotic compete for food with the biofilm in your\r
224 intestines. However, the probiotic has no way to supplant the\r
225 biofilm - that's a protective layer that keeps out competing\r
226 bacteria. It just starves the resident population a little\r
227 bit as it passes on through. Either way, more or less none of\r
228 it stays behind and it all leaves t\r
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