1 [SMALL UPDATE] LINUX USER NUMBERS ON STEAM INCREASED TO 0.78%
2 (FROM 0.71%) AFTER FIXING A ROUNDING ERROR
4 [linux_gaming] 2018-10-09_08-00
6 o Reference: 2018-10-09_08-00__Small_Update__Linux_us
7 o News link: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/9l7jlz/small_update_linux_user_numbers_on_steam/
8 o Source link: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
11 Lets get to 1.00% before the end of the year. :)
15 Lets get to 1.00% before the end of the year. :)
20 ** PM_mePicturesYouLike
21 soon they'll be mad about the our privileges
24 Fucking uppity peasants!
27 we can always burninate them.
30 By setting their Windows computers on fire? Nah,
31 besides that happens already. Instead we show
32 them Linux can save their computers, and their
33 privacy, and their sanity, and give them better
34 performance, all at once!
37 No we set the peasants on fire. Like so:
38 [1]https://homestarrunner.com/trogdor-canvas/i-
45 https://homestarrunner.com/trogdor-canvas/inde-
49 I'm familiar already, yep, was moving
50 beyond that old reference. Homestar is
51 still great, though. :3
60 Except instead of being thieves who have corrupted and
61 rigged the system, we're Robin Hoods working on teaching
62 the poor 99% about a better way to game until the
63 establishment is overthrown. :3
67 The higher, the fewer. We are the top of the tech industry.
76 Am I the only one who feels sad that the number of users for our
77 platform can be changed with a reasonable difference only from a
81 I don't think it's sad. There are a lot of different distros
82 for any kind of people. Which is a good thing in my opinion
83 (as long as they are maintained obviously).
87 Welcome to statistical insignificance. Give it time.
91 [1]Link to the tweet regarding that change
96 [1] https://twitter.com/Plagman2/status/1047655420020453378
99 I work hard to allow my kids to have a great gaming experience
100 on Linux, so we can raise the next generation right. :) Let's
101 keep up the work; those are rookie numbers.
104 I did that for my niece and nephew. It worked great until
105 Fortnite. Goddamn Epic and their goddamn assumptions.
108 Epic has deals with Microsoft, and is partially owned by
110 Now, I'm not saying that causes them not to be on Linux;
111 they're currently on non-Microsoft platforms from Apple,
112 Sony, and Nintendo. I am saying that their deals with
113 Microsoft could be correlated in some way with their
114 platform decisions, however. Valve has no deals with
115 Microsoft as far as I know, which could be correlated with
116 their support of Linux/SteamOS.
120 Social pressure right? Normie sees linux for the first
121 time Wat iaasa that You : linux
122 Normie : WHY YOU NO WINDOWS YOU ARE SUCH AN NERD (and then
123 social pressures you to switch to windows)
124 Normie strenght = ignorance
127 I mean, I wouldn't call Tim Sweeney a "normie", but
130 Installing Linux is sort of the equivalent of moving to
131 Canada when one doesn’t like US political trends.
132 Nope, we’ve got to fight for the freedoms we have
133 today, where we have them today.
135 [1]https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/9642844027-
137 I'm just frustrated that Epic made their game engine
138 (Unreal 4) support Linux, and then decided their
139 flagship game shouldn't demonstrate that capability,
140 because that's somehow a bad investment.
141 One would hope that Publishers would at some point stop
142 seeing Linux users as the market potential, when, in
143 fact, it's the Windows Users that are the untapped part
144 of the market. Any old indie company can't do that, but
145 major AAA game publishers could, if they wanted to.
146 Brb counting to 10 before I blow a casket.
152 https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/9642844027411-
157 A bit early for necrophilia, no?
160 Hey, am I coming to YOUR reddits and tell YOU how
161 to MORTAL? No. So kindly back off and let me lich
162 the way I like to lich.
168 I brought up Linux on a thread in [1]/r/pcgaming where
169 people were bitching about how shitty windows 10 is and
170 I was instantly downvoted.
171 It's like these people are standing in a pool of shit
172 and complaining about how much it stinks but if you
173 tell them they don't have to stand in a pool of shit
174 they tell you to fuck off.
179 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming
182 It's been that way for a long time. People seem
183 willing to give deep, nuanced opinions why the users
184 of the world can't possibly use an office suite
185 other than the one from Microsoft, but when you ask
186 them to articulate a reproducible (therefore
187 fixable) bug with any competitor, such as
188 LibreOffice, it's nothing but crickets. Most of them
189 never chose to switch from other apps to
190 Microsoft's, so they don't really have reasons to
191 give, you see. They're just uninterested in making
192 problems for themselves for what they see as other
194 I suppose that psychologically speaking, it's the
195 urge to defend one's behavior in the face of
196 criticism. That's why criticizing Windows in
197 general, and Windows users in particular , is not a
198 very good method of persuasion.
199 The best persuasion isn't persuasion at all, and
200 it's not a debate or provocation. It's gentle
201 statement of fact: we use Linux to accomplish a, b,
202 c, 1, 2, 3, successfully. No tool is best for all
203 uses, but Linux is particularly good for x, y, z, 7,
207 We're migrating back to Windows where I work.
208 Users were complaining about missing features and
209 compatibility issues in Libre Office
210 sheets/excel. Unfortunately Microsoft Office is
211 very good and it's hard to find any replacement
212 that matches the overall experience.
213 I rarely use any office suite applications at all
214 so can't really point at specific things myself.
217 I don't really use office apps any more
218 either, but I'm relatively aware of issues
219 involving app migration by users because I do
220 a lot of scale migrations, since before
221 Windows was even used in enterprise.
222 What's key is to identify how users are using
223 the apps, and then which functionality. There
224 are certain things that will never probably
225 work perfectly in a competitor, but then for
226 example [1]Excel macros don't necessarily even
227 work in Microsoft's Mac version of Excel .
228 So on one hand, users in some industries and
229 situations might have a lot of legacy
230 macro-laden spreadsheets. But on the other
231 hand, in a great many cases, workflows done in
232 spreadsheets need to move to a more-structured
233 system for risk reasons anyway (search on:
234 "spreadsheet risk"). So we need to replace
235 these [2]so-called "spreadmarts" with managed,
236 audited, far less risky systems where it's
237 hard for error to creep in due to human error
238 and hard for unintentional forks of data and
239 "code" to be made every time a spreadsheet is
240 copied and e-mailed around.
241 Of course, replacing or implementing
242 enterprise systems is complicated and takes
243 time. More than a few firms are in the process
244 of de-coupling themselves from proprietary
245 apps from dBASE to Excel to Photoshop, with a
246 goal of being dramatically more flexible in
247 how their staff can work. Offsite from a cafe
248 with a Chromebook? No problem. Update and
249 approve data from iOS? No problem. Power users
250 working miracles with Emacs on Linux? No
257 http://blog.parallels.com/2016/01/21/differenc-
258 es-microsoft-office-mac/
259 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreadmart
264 The bad thing is that open source software is
265 pretty much inoperable more or less with
266 proprietary formats. And open formats don't work
267 that well inside proprietary suites.
268 You may have ODF but people use OOXML.
269 You may have .xcf but people use .psd
270 I only yesterday had to edit a poster that had
271 some text in it and found that GIMP cannot edit
272 text inside a .psd file (it renders it as raster
273 image). There was no plug-in for this and found
274 no converter from psd to xcf. So I had to rely on
275 a site that can see the font in pictures and go
276 to trial and error to make the text similar. Not
277 quite the best alternative to running Photoshop.
282 Funny, this is -exactly- the same experience of
283 watching your Twitter-using friends bitch 18 hours a
284 day about how bad Twitter is, and then laugh at the
285 thought of giving Mastodon a look.
289 Most PC users don't really want the usability of a
290 computer, they just want a console with better power
291 and mouse and keyboard support
295 Online is hard because it comes off as preachy. I
296 just use the stuff in normal life and when someone
297 wants to know how I do something, I show them. A
298 number of people have switched to Libre Office and
299 Linux because they see how I use it to do some very
300 technical things easily, and it changes they
301 preconceived notions about it. Sometimes I have had
302 to work very hard to make things work, but I feel it
303 is worth it in the long run. My biggest problem (and
304 still occasionally is) is connecting to our MS
305 Exchange mail/calendar server. The mail program
306 Evolution does OK but my slightly outdated version
307 still is missing some key calendar features. I need
308 to check for updates on that. If people complain
309 about Windows, I offer to set them up with a dual
310 boot system so they can try Linux or go back to
311 Windows if they need it for something special.
317 My son is 7 and my wife does want him playing first person
318 shooters yet, so we are safe there for now. My daughter
319 has no interest in it. I figured someone would have
320 figured out how to run that in linux. They want to play
321 Roblox and use my phone for it for now. I tell them about
322 how I disapprove of Microsoft and how by using
323 alternatives, they make computing better for the world.
324 Then I get them a new Linux game and keep them happy for a
336 we need to breed more
339 You can't straight-up breed parents. That's not how
347 Jesus, how thirsty am I to celebrate a .07% jump?
350 Well, if you put it in perspective, since Proton was
351 announced, our total user base has increased by 59% .
352 And that is just in less than two months, not even a month
353 and a half. That is insane growth. [1]It's so insane that we
354 actually reversed over a year's worth of decline in less than
361 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=steam_linux_sh-
365 I think not everyone boots up Steam every day, especially
366 if they're a Linux gamer that was only playing the SteamOS
367 compatible games until now, and maybe doesn't follow the
368 news as much. There's also a whole bunch of Linux players
369 running the Windows Steam client in wine, which means when
370 that survey (that popped up this week) reports back, it'll
373 In short, I think there's a whole bunch of Linux gamers
374 that haven't come on board yet.
377 I think not everyone boots up Steam every day,
378 especially if they're a Linux gamer that was only
379 playing the SteamOS compatible games until now, and
380 maybe doesn't follow the news as much
381 How did nearly an extra 60% of users all decided to
382 just start running Steam again in the last month and a
383 half, completely unrelated to the announcement of
385 And even then, what about the substantial loss of
386 percentage over the last couple of years? Surely we
387 wouldn't have seen our numbers steadily drop lower and
388 lower too we were nearly reduced by half if these
389 people were still there.
391 There's also a whole bunch of Linux players running the
392 Windows Steam client in wine, which means when that
393 survey (that popped up this week) reports back, it'll
395 In the past the hardware survey explicitly detected
396 that steam is running in wine and even what version,
397 all to be counted as Linux or Other (iirc). I see no
398 reason that'd change now or any time in the last year+.
399 E: rereading this I may come across as rather angry.
400 Not my intent, I'm just tired. Sorry
403 unrelated to the announcement of Proton?
404 I'm not saying "nobody" did it, I'm saying there
405 might be a significant portion that didn't see the
406 article. Maybe not as significant as I initially
407 thought, but I'm sure more users will trickle in
408 over time. Or users that saw the news but didn't
409 think it's a priority for their gaming habits,
410 installing Steam Linux when their wine version was
411 working fine. Not everyone jumps on something the
412 moment they find out about it. Was just a thought...
413 I happened to install Linux on my old netbook
414 literally days before the news dropped, so I was
415 still in the "what can I do with my new favourite
416 OS" phase, but not everyone is like this. They're
417 just happy if it works.
419 In the past the hardware survey explicitly detected
420 that steam is running in wine and even what version,
421 all to be counted as Linux or Other (iirc)
422 Oh I didn't know this.
426 Surely we wouldn't have seen our numbers steadily
427 drop lower and lower too we were nearly reduced by
428 half if these people were still there.
429 Percentage-wise, you could have. Assuming more new
430 windows/macOS users come, while most linux users
431 that were using steam are already on it.
436 The survey isn't what counts the OS. The OS is
437 auto-reported on sign on. The survey reports things
438 that the sign-on doesn't know or don't want to figure
439 out, like speed tests, etc. They know exactly how many
440 people are online with linux, mac, windows, etc at any
446 I don't think we actually declined, we just grew slower
447 than Windows. Looking at market share to see growth on a
448 single platform isn't really correct. What if a bunch of
449 Mac users suddenly stop gaming on Steam? Linux will go
450 up... but did we grow?
455 Considering that pushes our number from about an additional
456 1/3 over last month to close to 2/5, it's nice to see at
460 Except that this error was present before this fix, which
461 means it likely effected every stat they released from the
462 start of Steam on Linux. If they updated past stats after
463 applying this and you recalculated it, the growth would
467 They do this every month.
470 Yes, they publish stats every month, and all of
471 those likely are effected by that error except for
472 the updated September ones. The old data is not
476 What I mean is they update their stats every
477 month, about a week after publication.
480 Yes, I know, which is why I said "they publish
482 The problem is all of those stats except for
483 September, which they corrected are likely
484 affected by this error. This throws off our
485 calculations of growth, because groups that
486 were not represented before are now
487 represented, creating an artificial boost in
497 It's roughly a 10% increase actually.
501 Which translates to ~50k people.
504 ** Offensive_joke_lord
505 I helped a teeny bit by getting 2 people to switch to Linux
506 recently. But mostly thanks to all the people working on all the
507 software that makes up the systems we use!
508 I'll just keep trying to convert more people! Hopefully once we
509 break 1% we can take over the world, mwahahaha >:)
512 Wait. There was an error... and it went up ?
515 Another way to look at it - there was an error... and windows
520 If they add all the fixes that were found for a lot of the
521 non-whitelisted games, I think a lot more people would use it.
522 Fallout 4 didn't work for me at first. But after looking at
523 spcr.netlify.com and the github issues page for proton, I found
524 the 3 things I had to do to fix all my problems. Now it runs
525 flawlessly. Well it hangs on exit, but apart from that, I never
526 had any issues ingame.
527 If Valve would add a way to implement these community fixes, so
528 the average user doesn't have to do anything in the terminal or
529 in the fallout .ini files, then playing Windows only games on
530 Linux would be a lot more accessible.
531 So hopefully by the time Proton comes out of beta, we'll have
532 this feature implemented.
535 I'm almost certain that this is where it's heading. As soon
536 as they know how a certain game can be played, all they need
537 to do is to put these instructions into the "first-time-run"
538 setup present on any game which sets these things
542 Ironically, the "first-time-run" setup on some games is
543 the only thing blocking them from working perfectly out of
544 the box. Having Proton-specific ones would be a great
545 step. They could start by removing runtimes that are built
546 into Wine already and won't install cleanly anyway.
551 I'm very excited to see this momentum. I switched to Linux Mint
552 and quickly fell back into Win10 due to friends still regularly
553 playing PUBG and some other games that are broken on Linux. This
554 past month I've switched back to 100% Linux usage going from
555 Kubuntu to Ubuntu back to Mint on my main machine (have also
556 been only using Linux Mint or Ubuntu on my laptop for the past
557 year and a half or so).
558 I'm glad I hopped back in to contribute to this growth. Moving
559 into 2019 let's make some big moves and make sure everyone knows
560 that Linux is the place to be if you want to play games and
561 simply have fun with your computer! One of my favorite things
562 about Linux is still customization as it lets you have fun in
564 Everyone in this community is awesome for the most part so as
565 long as we still act as a positive influence and encourage
566 others in the gaming community to make the switch in a welcoming
567 manner then we should be able to come back here month after
568 month and celebrate even more growth!
571 I'm very excited to see this momentum.
573 It is exciting! And I'm delighted to find that Linux is
574 become so new-user friendly just when MS appears to be
575 dialing all the things that people dislike about Windows up
577 It's long been an aphorism of mine that the future happens
578 either half as fast or 10 times quicker than anyone expects.
579 Linux has had a long run of "half as fast" - I find myself
580 hoping that there's going to be a phase change to "10 times
588 I'm sure the number will keep growing
591 Updated [1]GOL's dedicated page that shows some history of it.
597 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=steam_linux_share
600 So we've now regained the last 15 months lost to the Chinese
605 i need a more powerful gaming rig
608 So do a lot of people, if those statistics are even remotely
609 accurate. 30% of users still only have 2 physical cores, and
610 60% have 4. No hyperthreading stats in that section, but
611 elsewhere it says only about half of surveyed systems have
612 it. The number of users with 8-core chips is only slightly
613 higher than the total Linux user stats. It's no wonder devs
614 don't bother making their code use more threads, if only
615 about 5% of Steam users have 6+ cores. Even scarier when you
616 consider that, since it's restricted to Steam users, the
617 survey probably over-represents higher-end systems.
618 RAM is more in line with what I expected, with the majority
619 having 8 or 16GB. I did expect >16GB to be a bit higher than
621 Also unsurprisingly, two 1920x1080 displays is the most
622 common multi-monitor configuration. I'm disappointed that it
623 doesn't give any sort of idea how many multi-monitor users
624 there are in comparison to people still only using one.
625 Most of the stats are pretty consistent between Linux-only
626 and Windows-only, too. Exceptions being higher representation
627 of 16GB in Linux, and total disk space in Linux is much
628 lower. The latter is probably because of people dual booting
629 and allocating less space to Linux, since most of their
630 space-eating games are in Windows.
633 and total disk space in Linux is much lower. The latter is
634 probably because of people dual booting and allocating
635 less space to Linux, since most of their space-eating
636 games are in Windows.
637 It's also because it's not detecting it correctly. For me
638 it always lists the amount of free space on my root
639 filesystem as the "total" disk space, no matter how many
640 other drives are mounted.
644 RAM is God damb expensive these days, that's maybe why
647 That's true. It was already stupidly expensive when I
648 built this PC last year, and it's only gotten worse
649 since then apparently. I wish I could have maxed the
650 board out then, but I was already pushing the budget
651 when I went for 32GB. I was upgrading from a
652 ridiculously outdated system that had 6GB, with an 8GB
653 maximum (but one of the sticks died), so even the idea
654 of using that much seemed insane at the time. I figured
655 it would take years before I'd actually use 32... but
656 then I got the PC built and immediately started using
657 50-90% of it regularly. Doesn't matter how much I have
658 I'll find a way to use it, even if I have to install
659 Steam games onto a ramdisk to do it.
662 I figured it would take years before I'd actually
663 use 32... but then I got the PC built and
664 immediately started using 50-90% of it regularly.
665 That's always how it works, especially in modern
666 systems with virtual memory.
667 Back when we had RISC workstations that had 8 to 32
668 times as much memory as a contemporary gaming PC,
669 those with the latter just couldn't see how the
670 memory would ever get used.
673 See, I knew when I made it that I could find ways
674 to utilise it if I tried . One of the first
675 things I did with the newly built system was
676 mount half of it as a ramdisk and compile
677 something using all cores and no disk bottleneck,
678 just to watch it fly, and after that I played a
679 couple games off ramdisk to compare load times.
680 I've been abusing Linux features in stupid ways
681 for a long time, so I was looking forward to
682 doing dumb stuff like that. Plus I knew I'd be
683 doing GPU passthrough and using a large chunk of
685 The thing that surprised me is how quickly I went
686 past 16 and even 24GB without intentionally doing
687 things to use every scrap of memory available.
688 Casual usage tends to sit at 10-14GB, and it goes
689 up quickly from there when I start doing anything
691 It also didn't take long to adopt a "screw it, I
692 don't need to close this program" mentality with
693 programs I'm not using, only closing things when
694 I get over ~80% usage or need more memory free to
695 start the VM. I have a couple xkill -esque global
696 shortcut that send SIGSTOP or SIGCONT to a window
697 I click, so when I get done using a program for a
698 while I tend to "pause" it instead of closing, so
699 that I can leave even cpu-heavy programs open and
703 I have a couple xkill-esque global shortcut
704 that send SIGSTOP or SIGCONT to a window I
705 click, so when I get done using a program for
706 a while I tend to "pause" it instead of
707 closing, so that I can leave even cpu-heavy
708 programs open and avoid startup times.
712 Actually, I forgot that I recently merged
713 them into a single shortcut/script, so that
714 was slightly incorrect. I originally
715 started with a couple shell functions, stop
716 and cont , that would do kill -STOP (or
717 -CONT) if given a PID or assume a process
718 name and use killall otherwise. Then I
719 reproduced that as-is with two shortcuts
720 and xdotool and did that for a bit.
721 Finally, the current setup, which checks if
722 the selected window is paused with ps and
723 sends the appropriate signal to toggle
725 Here's the current script: #!/bin/sh
727 # Get a pid via cursor, similar to xkill,
729 # If pid is already stopped (state T), CONT
732 pid="$(xdotool selectwindow getwindowpid)"
733 state="$(ps -q $pid -o state --no-headers)"
736 if [ "x$state" = "xT" ] ; then
741 Right now I have it bound to meta+s as a
742 mnemonic for "stop" but meta+p for
743 "play|pause" would probably make more
753 It's no wonder devs don't bother making their code use
754 more threads, if only about 5% of Steam users have 6+
756 One generally-accepted theory is that both major consoles
757 being 8-core AMD APUs since 2013 has already been pushing
758 developers of performance-intensive titles to use ~7 cores
759 effectively in their cross-platform games.
761 Also unsurprisingly, two 1920x1080 displays is the most
762 common multi-monitor configuration.
763 Multiple 1920x1080 has been the most cost-effective,
764 high-value configuration for a number of years, and I
765 assume that's why the popularity.
766 The Hardware Survey says that Linux users are
767 significantly more likely to be using both UHD/4K
768 3840x2160 and also laptop-res 1366x768, interestingly
769 enough. Basically, there's more hardware diversity at the
770 low and high end with Linux, which suggests that Linux is
771 less likely to be used to game on dedicated gaming rigs,
772 and more likely to be used to game where it's already
773 installed on high-end workstations and on regular laptops.
776 One generally-accepted theory is that both major
777 consoles being 8-core AMD APUs since 2013 has already
778 been pushing developers of performance-intensive titles
779 to use ~7 cores effectively in their cross-platform
781 I noticed that myself. And now that Ryzen finally
782 dragged Intel kicking and screaming into the >4 core
783 world, hopefully it will continue to improve.
785 Multiple 1920x1080 has been the most cost-effective,
786 high-value configuration for a number of years, and I
787 assume that's why the popularity
788 Probably, it's what I favour for the same reason,
789 though I use more than two displays because there's
790 never enough screen real estate. I sort of hoped to see
791 a larger portion of users with resolutions indicating
792 more than two displays when I saw the gtx 1060 (which
793 has at least 4 outputs) was the most popular GPU.
794 I really wish the survey gave some indication of the
795 ratio of multi-display vs. single-display users, like I
796 already said. I've noticed it's a lot more common than
797 it was when I first started doing it, but I'm curious
798 to know how common it's gotten. People tend to scoff at
799 the idea until they try it and then they never go back.
808 The num of cores thing is also kind of a chicken and egg
809 situation. I have a pretty decent PC with “only” 4 cores
810 i5-6600 because for games and most workloads it’s more
811 than enough while the saved money could be spent by me on
812 faster RAM and stronger GPU.
813 My gf’s PC has 6 cores not because having 6+ cores made
814 great sense at the time of buying it (nor atm IMO) but
815 only because the new Coffee Lake i5 CPUs increased the
816 cores number and her PC is about a year newer than mine.
817 It just makes sense, if games are the main intended
818 workload, to buy a better GPU even at a cost of a weaker
819 CPU, so I’d expect much lower number of high-end CPUs than
820 GPUs in the Steam survey.
825 Hardware pricing and availability has been a roller-coaster
826 for the last couple of years.
827 It's entirely possible that we've seen the turning point
828 where hardware stops getting cheaper and faster as time goes
829 on. If so, it will take the general public a long time to
830 accept it, just as it took them a long time to accept that
831 semiconductor manufacturing made everything cheaper, better,
832 faster, and use less powerful as time went on.
833 Nobody had any reason to think that the DRAM price increases
834 that started slowly in 2016 would be the beginning of the end
835 of hardware getting cheaper, but right now it's looking like
836 that will have been the case.
837 The big opportunity going forward is from used hardware, as
838 the prices are largely going to reflect the past when used
839 hardware retained very little value after a couple of years.
840 Linux users aren't chained to OEM operating system licenses
841 and [1]activations when changing hardware . That gives Linux
842 users a notable advantage because they can ignore activations
843 and license concerns when shopping for used hardware and when
844 incrementally upgrading their machine, unlike Windows users.
849 [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3bezYerYxQ
853 I moved to Linux full time about a month or so ago, been trying
854 to launch new steam games to just see if they work and edge up
855 the stats (as I have no time to play them any more).
856 Hope I was captured in that rise!
859 so, with 10.5mil active players, that brings us to around 375k
860 lnx players? and the rounding error was good for about 35k?
863 Do we know if Steam Play sessions still count as Linux? At least
864 as far as whatever distribution stats the devs/publishers will
868 Yes, Steam Play counts towards Linux.
872 AFAIK Steam doesn't count these stats if you play games on
873 certain operating systems. All they count is the survey you
874 get every now and then (APPARENTLY.. I never got one on
875 linux). So it shouldn't matter how you play your games.
876 I thought you meant the statistics of the stat page. My bad.
880 Steam Play counts as Linux but Steam in Wine counts as
884 Not true Steam wine counts as Linux or "other" depending
885 on your setup. Has done for some years. It was also
886 mentioned earlier in this thread.
891 And that including me 😁
896 ** not_usually_serious
897 nah its because I installed kubuntu on my gaming machine
900 Ah, I see you are also one of the 1428 and a half users of
905 That happens from time to time. A few months back , opposite of
906 that happened. After a fix , Linux numbers dropped.
909 Those percents are misleading: they hide a big userbase that is
910 greater than almost any game has. Yes, it's still a minority,
911 but as with minorities that also has some beneficial
912 implications. It's easier to get bigger traction. Also I wonder
913 if there is a general genre bias in Linux userbase, but that
914 probably cannot be researched as per-game Linux users stats are
917 ** PM_ME_PC_GAME_KEYS
918 Those percents are misleading: they hide a big userbase that
919 is greater than almost any game has.
920 How exactly do they "hide" the GNU/Linux userbase? Just
921 because there's a small number (percentage) describing
922 something that could also be described with a big number
923 (count of users)? Or am I missing something?
926 How exactly do they "hide" the GNU/Linux userbase?
927 If they offer 15,000 titles, IDK how many they really do
928 offer, and have 20 million subscribers with .78% using
929 "GNU/Linux" you would think that GNU/Linux is a small
930 segment maybe not worth developing software for. Yet if
931 those .78% total userbase subscribers only play 10 titles,
932 and of those 10 titles, 1 or 2 titles have 30% GNU/Linux
933 userbase, than you have an obscured number. Especially if
934 those 1 or 2 titles are in the top 10 most popular games
936 Another way that .78% can be misleading is if the
937 GNU/Linux crowd as a whole counts for a higher ratio of
938 income than other players, and/or are as a whole spending
939 more time per week than other groups. Let's say that the
940 overwhelming majority of GNU/Linux users spend 22 hours a
941 week using Steam where as only 5% of Windows users spend
942 20 hours or more playing Steam per week.
944 There are other metrics that can be easily exploited. My
945 point is that maybe if it were reported in a more
946 meaningful way, such as by reporting on how GNU/Linux
947 gamers compare in metrics the Steam executives use to
948 decide whether to continue supporting or even expanding
949 services for the GNU/Linux market, we could all appreciate
950 whether .78% is really a good thing, or a sign that we
955 ** RedDeadRevengeance
956 THE WHEELS OF PROGRESS TURN
959 Anybody else thinking the Ubuntu's probably include Linux Mint..?
961 ** D49A1D852468799CAC08
962 Possibly. Fedora is reported as "Linux 4.x". :)
966 Just thinking about how many "Windows users" are actually
967 running Windows Steam through wine or even using
969 We won't get true numbers.
972 I just calculated how long it would take to take windows 96% if
973 we continue to grow with 31% a month: 19 months. 2020 will be
974 the year of total linux gaming domination ;)
977 i blame steamplay for this :)
980 Time to join the 0.78
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