test/expected/REDDIT/2018-10-09_16-00_Mouse_acceleration_is_a

   1            MOUSE ACCELERATION IS A REAL PROBLEM IN LINUX.
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   3   [linux_gaming] 2018-10-09_16-00
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   5   o Reference: 2018-10-09_16-00_Mouse_acceleration_is_a
   6   o News link: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/9lfqhh/mouse_acceleration_is_a_real_problem_in_linux/
   7   o Source link:
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  10     All  Linux  distributions  I have used required me to tweak the
  11     mouse settings before it was usable for gaming.
  12
  13     Stock  Ubuntu for example comes with mouse acceleration enabled
  14     by default and there is no option to turn it off. WTF?
  15
  16     Even  on touchpads mouse acceleration feels like its doing more
  17     harm than good and I dont like it :(
  18
  19     edit:  Instead  of  giving me gold please donate the money to a
  20     charity or GNU developers.
  21
  22
  23   ** TurnDownForTendies
  24      Despite the downvotes this is a legitimate complaint. I've never
  25      understood why this isn't extremely easy to disable.
  26
  27      ** KarKraKr
  28         There even was a time when libinput didn't support flat
  29         acceleration at all while some distros (namely arch) had
  30         already moved to it. I downgraded that package immediately.
  31         If I remember correctly the devs were quite dismissive of
  32         this and didn't think it was a high priority, because who
  33         doesn't want mouse acceleration? And isn't setting it to some
  34         really low value just like turning it off?
  35         No, it's not and yes I notice it immediately. I refuse to buy
  36         many mice because they can't track without some leftover
  37         acceleration ffs. With Linux being more and more viable as a
  38         gaming platform this just can't be ignored. I know people who
  39         tried switching to Linux because they heard CSGO, the only
  40         game they ever play, runs. They were just as stupefied as
  41         you'd expect them to be that there was no option for
  42         disabling mouse acceleration completely and that they had to
  43         manually edit config files. "Yeah, Linux is really easy these
  44         days, uhh, except for that I guess"
  45
  46
  47      ** 5had0w5talk3r
  48         If you use Gnome or especially KDE, it is extremely easy to
  49         disable. Just go to the settings menu and disable it.
  50
  51         ** aaronfranke
  52            In XFCE there's a menu for changing the acceleration
  53            amount, but it doesn't do anything if I set it to zero or
  54            ten.
  55
  56            ** 5had0w5talk3r
  57               [1]https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
  58
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  62               [1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
  63
  64               ** aaronfranke
  65                  [1]https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8593
  66                  [2]https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140
  67                  No attention from developers for over half a decade.
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  71
  72                  [1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8593
  73                  [2] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140
  74
  75                  ** 5had0w5talk3r
  76                     That's pretty shocking. If you're not resource
  77                     limited, I'd consider moving to KDE since they
  78                     actually seem to care about what the users want
  79                     and need.
  80
  81                     ** aaronfranke
  82                        Not shocking to me. Ubuntu and Wine both have
  83                        bugs over a decade old. I just checked and KDE
  84                        has open bugs from 2002. Tends to happen with
  85                        open-source projects. [1]The oldest 500 bugs
  86                        are from 2002 to 2005 .
  87                        XFCE's oldest bug is from 2006. Gnome's oldest
  88                        bug is from 2004. The Linux kernel's oldest
  89                        bug is from 2005. Wine's oldest bug is from
  90                        2000.
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  94
  95                        [1]
  96                        https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__-
  97                        open__&no_redirect=1&order=changeddate%2Cprior-
  98                        ity%2Cbug_severity&query_format=specific
  99
 100                        ** 5had0w5talk3r
 101                           It's shocking considering the kind of bug
 102                           it is.
 103
 104
 105                        ** Greydmiyu
 106                           Most might not be valid any longer. I was
 107                           putzing around with Dokuwiki at work, it
 108                           didn't install cleanly from the package. So
 109                           I checked the bugtracker for the package.
 110                           Oldest bug for Dokuwiki is filed against
 111                           8.10. That version isn't even supported any
 112                           more (16.04LTS is the oldest, I think). On
 113                           top of that the specific bug is fixed. I
 114                           know it's fixed. The current package isn't
 115                           missing the symlink that bug says is
 116                           missing.
 117
 118
 119                        ** energybeing
 120                           Tends to happen with open-source projects.
 121                           Tends to happen more with closed source
 122                           projects as there is no way to report or
 123                           track bugs open to the public. Windows 7
 124                           was still running 16 bit dos... Think about
 125                           how old the bugs must be in that pile of
 126                           trash.
 127                           One of them led to a full privilege
 128                           escalation.
 129
 130
 131                        ** the_Madman
 132                           That's an issue with bug triaging, not bug
 133                           fixing.
 134
 135                           ** aaronfranke
 136                              The user doesn't care though.
 137
 138                              ** the_Madman
 139                                 That's correct. They don't care about
 140                                 bug reports against software that
 141                                 doesn't have the bug anymore.
 142
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 148
 149
 150            ** hatestetris
 151               Same issue on MATE.
 152
 153
 154
 155         ** TurnDownForTendies
 156            I made a bootable usb to see the mouse options in KDE.
 157            You're right there's an option to set the acceleration to
 158            flat. The last time I used it I was confused by the
 159            multipliers where you could type in values for
 160            acceleration and "pointer threshold." Good to see its now
 161            just a click to get it over with.
 162
 163            ** 5had0w5talk3r
 164               Yeah, the KDE team have done a great job recently and
 165               have developed a modern, feature-rich, and great
 166               performing desktop with some of the best apps in the
 167               Linux space. It's really come a long way and I have
 168               zero regrets or complaints after having switched to it
 169               over a year ago.
 170
 171               ** TurnDownForTendies
 172                  Yeah looks a lot different than it used to last time
 173                  I tried it a year ago. Looks really nice so far and
 174                  animations are a lot smoother than what I'm used to
 175                  on gnome. I had to edit a file to stop screen
 176                  tearing on my nvidia card and disallow applications
 177                  to block compositing because running a game would
 178                  cause window dragging and some desktop effects to
 179                  get screwed up, but I'll switch to it if things seem
 180                  stable.
 181
 182                  ** 5had0w5talk3r
 183                     I had to edit a file to stop screen tearing on my
 184                     nvidia card
 185                     On any recent drivers you can just open the
 186                     nvidia-settings tool as root and enable
 187                     "ForceFullCompositePipeline" under "Advanced" in
 188                     the "X Server Display Configuration". Then just
 189                     save it to your xorg.conf file to keep it after a
 190                     reboot.
 191
 192                     disallow applications to block compositing
 193                     because running a game would cause window
 194                     dragging and some desktop effects to get screwed
 195                     up,
 196                     This seems to be an edge-case with only certain
 197                     applications. IIRC, the only one I've encountered
 198                     any issues with was [1]The Adventures of Fei
 199                     Duanmu . In any case, you can manually toggle
 200                     compositing using a global shortcut
 201                     (Shift+Alt+F12 by default).
 202
 203                     Looks really nice so far and animations are a lot
 204                     smoother than what I'm used to on gnome.
 205                     Yeah the animations and transitions are great.
 206                     You can customize them too, from "Smoother and
 207                     longer" to "Snappier and shorter" (or just turn
 208                     them off if that's your thing).
 209
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 211
 212
 213                     [1]
 214                     https://store.steampowered.com/app/593200/The_Adv-
 215                     entures_of_Fei_Duanmu/
 216
 217                     ** DutchHawk_
 218                        I had to edit a file to stop screen tearing on
 219                        my nvidia card
 220                        On any recent drivers you can just open the
 221                        nvidia-settings tool as root and enable
 222                        "ForceFullCompositePipeline" under "Advanced"
 223                        in the "X Server Display Configuration". Then
 224                        just save it to your xorg.conf file to keep it
 225                        after a reboot.
 226                        Seeing as how we are on a gaming subreddit:
 227                        keep in mind that this does have a huge
 228                        performance impact.
 229
 230                        ** 5had0w5talk3r
 231                           I feel like this is a myth that keeps
 232                           getting perpetuated. I've done testing and
 233                           have seen no impact in either frame-time,
 234                           response, or frame-rate across OpenGL,
 235                           Vulkan or Wine games. Maybe it causes some
 236                           issue in some edge-case game where the code
 237                           is poorly optimized, but I've yet to run
 238                           into it.
 239
 240                           ** DutchHawk_
 241                              Dunno about edge case, but it isn't
 242                              consistent: that's true.
 243                              I have little impact in say
 244                              Insurgency/DOF, but both Tomb Raiders
 245                              had massive stuttering. Same with the
 246                              vsync effect: sometimes it seems to
 247                              clamp it to 60fps while other games are
 248                              fine.
 249                              So I guess the advice would more be
 250                              "keep in mind it does stuff; if you have
 251                              issues try enabling/disabling it".
 252
 253
 254
 255                        ** GaianNeuron
 256                           There's an option in KDE called "allow
 257                           applications to block compositing" which
 258                           lets games override that and recover said
 259                           performance.
 260                           It's enabled by default.
 261
 262                           ** DutchHawk_
 263                              From what I gather, that has nothing to
 264                              do with Nvidia's settings (inc. any form
 265                              of CompositePipeline ) only KDE's own
 266                              compositing. KWin doesn't know anything
 267                              what Nvidia is doing. Via former KDE dev
 268                              [1]/u/mgraesslin : see [2]this
 269                              The [3]solution in that thread by
 270                              [4]/u/UrbenLegend may work with the
 271                              "block compositing" (since it it a KWin
 272                              thingy after all). Although for me the
 273                              triple buffer helps, but not completely
 274                              eliminates tearing.
 275
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 277
 278
 279                              [1] https://www.reddit.com/u/mgraesslin
 280                              [2]
 281                              https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/88-
 282                              aejd/is_anyone_here_using_kde_on_proprie-
 283                              tary_nvidia/dwow79l
 284                              [3]
 285                              https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/88-
 286                              aejd/is_anyone_here_using_kde_on_proprie-
 287                              tary_nvidia/dwje571
 288                              [4] https://www.reddit.com/u/UrbenLegend
 289
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 293
 294
 295               ** koera
 296                  My only complaint is that I would love to use
 297                  Kubuntu, but KDE Neon keeps getting so much awesome
 298                  stuff I can't make myself give it up.
 299
 300                  ** YAOMTC
 301                     I don't see how this is a complaint.
 302
 303                     ** koera
 304                        Luxury problem, I would love to have a super
 305                        stabil 18.04 with the extra polish and stabil
 306                        KDE desktop, but all the awesome new and shiny
 307                        is too much to resist.
 308
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 312
 313
 314         ** fluffy465
 315            KDE has different mouse settings menus depending on the
 316            driver, so that option isn't always there. It wasn't for
 317            me by default.
 318
 319            ** Walrad_Usingen
 320               Yes! [1]Here is a forum post showing the different
 321               mouse settings in the preferences. Make sure you
 322               install xf86-input-evdev and use it instead of the
 323               default xf86-input-libinput , e.g. with cp
 324               /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
 325               /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
 326
 327
 328
 329
 330               [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=240218
 331
 332               ** the_real_farfetchd
 333                  Maybe symlink the file instead of copying so it
 334                  doesn't get out of sync when the original gets
 335                  updated.
 336
 337                  ** Walrad_Usingen
 338                     Yeah, probably not a bad idea. I don't
 339                     necessarily trust the package keeping it in the
 340                     same place either though, so maybe both. 🤔
 341
 342
 343
 344
 345            ** 5had0w5talk3r
 346               When was this? It's there on the default configuration
 347               for: Fedora 28, Arch (and Arch-based), Kubuntu 18.04,
 348               KDE Neon.
 349
 350
 351
 352         ** Jupon
 353            wait, with KDE i can completely disable this? im
 354            installing this weekend!
 355
 356
 357
 358      ** Swiftpaw22
 359         It is, and it's why I helped to get the Linux Mint developers
 360         to turn it off by default. There is an option in mouse
 361         settings for "custom acceleration" where you can turn it back
 362         on, though, if you want it. But seriously, most everyone
 363         seems to prefer it off, hence why they changed that. It's
 364         stupid to have accel be the default, and even if you make it
 365         the default, at least provide a way to easily disable it.
 366         All distros should do the same. No mouse acceleration is a
 367         sane default.
 368
 369         ** Jupon
 370            When was this? i was using mint earlier this year and it
 371            was impossible for someone like me to remove.
 372
 373
 374         ** chunes
 375            As someone who moved from Windows to Mint a few weeks ago,
 376            thank you! This thread had me worried but I was surprised
 377            to see it turned off by default.
 378
 379            ** TheFlyingDharma
 380               Disabling mouse acceleration is a "massively niche
 381               feature"? Did I really just read that on a gaming
 382               subreddit?
 383
 384               ** c0ccuh
 385                  He would feel right at home on gnome.
 386
 387                  ** vexorian2
 388                     Not a he
 389
 390
 391
 392               ** vexorian2
 393                  I am yet to meet anyone IRL that remotely cares
 394                  about this. And most of the people I know are geeks
 395                  to some degree.
 396                  Reality is that most of the people don't care, and
 397                  if we added this feature to the UI they would feel
 398                  confused about it and mess it up and then wonder why
 399                  their mouse is acting glitchy on Linux.
 400                  If instead, we leave it like it is, the people who
 401                  care can run the terminal commands or install the
 402                  right packages or whatever.
 403
 404
 405
 406
 407
 408      ** catman1900
 409         The people here are to 1337 for ease of use stuff
 410
 411
 412   ** lemler3
 413      Install gnome tweak tool go to keyboard and mouse and change
 414      mouse profile to flat
 415
 416      ** Sempre01
 417         Yeah thats the solution on stock Ubuntu but you shouldnt have
 418         to install software to change mouse settings...
 419
 420         ** redstoolthrowawayy
 421            Actually the function is already part of gnome, the tweak
 422            tool makes it easier to access and saves the setting.
 423
 424            ** Sempre01
 425               Huh. I had to install it when I tried stock Ubuntu.
 426
 427               ** furquan_ahmad
 428                  Debian (on which Ubuntu is based upon) installs it
 429                  as part of the gnome metapackage, I don't know why
 430                  Ubuntu removed Tweaks from the metapackage.
 431
 432                  ** koera
 433                     My guess would be to "simplify" the experience.
 434                     Less options means easier to use.
 435
 436
 437
 438               ** ImpersonalComputer
 439                  You had to install gnome tweak tool to change the
 440                  setting using a GUI but you could have changed it
 441                  manually by editing dconf.
 442
 443                  ** TMiguelT
 444                     Any idea why tweak tool is not installed by
 445                     default, or even integrated into the Settings
 446                     dialogue? It's so helpful I don't understand why
 447                     everyone wouldn't want it
 448
 449                     ** the_Madman
 450                        Because that gives users control, which is
 451                        against the Gnome philosophy.
 452
 453                        ** Vash63
 454                           Gnome doesn't decide on the default
 455                           packages for a distribution. As mentioned
 456                           above in this same comment thread, Ubuntu's
 457                           upstream (Debian) does include Tweaks by
 458                           default with the 'gnome' metapackage.
 459
 460                           ** the_Madman
 461                              Gnome does decide to ship 4 different
 462                              UIs to do one job, and all as separate
 463                              software.
 464
 465                              ** Vash63
 466                                 True, but that isn't the same thing
 467                                 you initially said which is that they
 468                                 don't like giving control. They just
 469                                 aren't organizing it very well.
 470
 471
 472
 473
 474
 475
 476                  ** lordofbud
 477                     I think the point they are making is that it's
 478                     not a default GUI option, people who are just
 479                     switching over from windows, and doing so as
 480                     gamers are likely not familiar with non-GUI
 481                     methods of adjusting settings.
 482                     [1]This is what they see on Ubuntu, and to be
 483                     honest, it leaves the impression to a new user
 484                     that disabling mouse acceleration is not an
 485                     option.
 486                     Edit: two words.
 487
 488
 489
 490
 491                     [1] https://imgur.com/xD5rIqI
 492
 493                     ** ImpersonalComputer
 494                        I agree, it should be a part of Ubuntu’s basic
 495                        features I was just trying to clarify that it
 496                        can be done without installing the gnome tweak
 497                        tools package.
 498
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 501
 502
 503
 504         ** lemler3
 505            I mean you can't really blame one distro when they all use
 506            libinput, if anything synapse if the one to blame
 507
 508            ** Sempre01
 509               They could've put a slider in their mouse settings
 510               couldnt they?
 511
 512               ** BulletDust
 513                  Microsoft could have used just the 'Control Panel'
 514                  as opposed to the 'Control Panel' and the 'Settings
 515                  Panel' couldn't they?
 516                  A classic example of a non intuitive GUI if I ever
 517                  saw one. It's easier opening a configuration file
 518                  and copy/pasting simple text.
 519
 520
 521
 522
 523         ** FlukyS
 524            Well they are shipping the Gnome settings manager with a
 525            few tweaks. This is more of a Gnome problem than an Ubuntu
 526            problem.
 527
 528
 529
 530      ** DanBennett
 531         OK, I had no idea that's what that did! Thank you for helping
 532         OP and thus others. More like you, please! :-)
 533
 534
 535   ** arminiusreturns
 536      [1]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration
 537
 538
 539
 540
 541      [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration
 542
 543   ** ed_ed_ed_ed
 544      [Something like this?] ( [1]https://imgur.com/xGmEY1A )
 545
 546
 547
 548
 549      [1] https://imgur.com/xGmEY1A
 550
 551      ** KarKraKr
 552         Does that really turn it off though? I've never seen a GUI
 553         that actually sets a [1]flat acceleration profile . Granted,
 554         I don't use many GUIs, but stock distros were always lacking
 555         such an option.
 556
 557
 558
 559
 560         [1]
 561         https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disab-
 562         ling_mouse_acceleration
 563
 564         ** Ozymandias117
 565            KDE at least appears to. [1]https://i.imgur.com/3pOG6uL.png
 566
 567
 568
 569
 570            [1] https://i.imgur.com/3pOG6uL.png
 571
 572            ** TaylorRoyal23
 573               That doesn't seem to work perfectly. I've tested it a
 574               bunch of times and it seems to still have a bit of
 575               acceleration
 576
 577               ** bakgwailo
 578                  Would be nice to file a bug report with your
 579                  findings.
 580
 581
 582               ** Sasamus
 583                  The profile toggle doesn't seem to work, it does not
 584                  change the profile.
 585                  It seems to work for some though.
 586
 587
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 589
 590
 591   ** Swiftpaw22
 592      Then you haven't used Linux Mint, as I helped to get the
 593      developers to turn it off by default. There is an option in
 594      mouse settings for "custom acceleration" where you can turn it
 595      back on, though, if you want it. But seriously, most everyone
 596      seems to prefer it off, hence why they changed that.
 597      All distros should do the same. No mouse acceleration is a sane
 598      default.
 599
 600      ** awe300
 601         I fucking love Linux mint
 602
 603
 604   ** jensreuterberg
 605      Ok this may be the DUMBEST question - but I use the GUI option
 606      in plasma to set flat acceleration rate - but then I do
 607
 608      $ xinput list-props {1..50} 2>/dev/null | fgrep 'libinput Accel
 609      Profile Enabled ('
 610      And it claims acceleration is still on... (ie reads 1, 0 instead
 611      of 0, 1)
 612      Is it me just not getting it, or freaking out for nothing? If
 613      not: Why?
 614      EDIT: should be noted that I have a hard time checking
 615      "manually" (ie testing going quick over the same space as you've
 616      recently dragged it slowly to see if it goes "farther" when
 617      moving fast) but my aim in CSGO "feels" shaky. Could be just me
 618      stressing out and getting shaky aim due to that suspicion.
 619
 620      ** AI221
 621         best way to test is to set 2 heavy objects between your mouse
 622         and move between them fast or slow. If your mouse doesn't
 623         return to roughly the same spot you're good.(unless you've
 624         got some $500 mouse it's not gonna be pixel-perfect)
 625
 626         ** jensreuterberg
 627            Thats the one I usually do (although not THAT heavy), will
 628            do some more of it though just to calm my nerves - which
 629            may just as well be what messes it up. CS is such a
 630            "confidence game", and a small streak of losses really
 631            makes you wonder and question etc etc...
 632
 633
 634
 635      ** Sasamus
 636         You are correct. The profile toggle does not work, at least
 637         for some, the profile does not change.
 638
 639
 640   ** K900_
 641      KDE Plasma lets you disable mouse acceleration out of the box.
 642
 643      ** iommu
 644         Does it have an option for sensitivity yet? On 5.13 I could
 645         only find accel but not sensitivity.
 646
 647         ** AimlesslyWalking
 648            I think the acceleration option might just be a poorly
 649            worded sensitivity option, so long as you set it to flat
 650            profile underneath. I could be wrong though, just going
 651            off a brief mouse-feel test and it feels unaccelerated.
 652
 653            ** RASQ37
 654               Just tested it. No, it's definitely acceleration.
 655
 656               ** Sasamus
 657                  That slider does work as a sensitivity/speed slider
 658                  with a flat profile.
 659                  The problem is that changing the profile there
 660                  doesn't seem to work for some people, hence why
 661                  people have different experiences.
 662                  If you set the profile to flat by other means that
 663                  slider can be used for sensitivity.
 664
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 667
 668
 669      ** raist356
 670         I guess you are using the stable version. That option is gone
 671         in the settings of new versions.
 672
 673         ** K900_
 674            It's there for me on Plasma 5.14 beta.
 675
 676            ** raist356
 677               What distro are you on?
 678
 679               ** K900_
 680                  Arch.
 681
 682
 683
 684
 685         ** jensreuterberg
 686            Just chiming in that I still have that option in 5.13.5
 687            (Flat Acceleration Rate checkbox underneath the slider)
 688
 689
 690
 691   ** mightysilentsaint
 692      is it weird that i have never faced the said problems for the
 693      last 6 years of my life as a full time linux user?
 694
 695      ** MikeFrett
 696         I've never had these issues either.
 697
 698         ** aerique
 699            It's mostly what you're used to. In the past I did most of
 700            my gaming on Windows, so Linux felt off and OS X was
 701            awful.
 702            Switched to Linux full-time a couple of months for gaming
 703            (everything else I had been doing on Unix for ages
 704            anyway), set my mouse settings to something that felt
 705            nice[1] and no issues after one or two days.
 706            [1] xset b off mouse 2/1 4
 707
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 709
 710   ** plumkefan
 711      Just to be a bit pedantic, this is not a Linux issue as it has
 712      nothing to do with the kernel. It is really an issue with
 713      whatever Desktop Environment(s) you are using.
 714      Some DEs have this built into to their settings UI, some do not.
 715      If there is a specific DE you love, but does not offer this,
 716      propose it upstream and someone may add it in.
 717      There are several options for persistently disabling
 718      acceleration. The easiest that come to mind would be either
 719      throwing an computer command in somewhere like .xprofile or
 720      specifying your mouse parameters in an XOrg config file. If
 721      using Gnome, there is always gnome-tweaks, as has been
 722      mentioned.
 723      From what I’ve read in this thread, it seems like half the
 724      commenters are expecting that there should be some magic
 725      software or standard UI element that is mandatory in every
 726      distribution of Linux. It’s a bit silly to think that way as
 727      everyone uses Linux in their own way and many of us don’t want
 728      bloated garbage that we will never use (a UI element for a
 729      setting that only needs to be touched once).
 730
 731      ** kon14
 732         Just to be a bit pedantic, this is not a Linux issue as it
 733         has nothing to do with the kernel.
 734         Just a reminder, but you do understand you've written this in
 735         a sub called linux _gaming, right? Nobody cares at this
 736         point, from a casual user's perspective, linux is just a
 737         catch-all term for linux distros.
 738
 739         The easiest that come to mind would be either throwing an
 740         computer command in somewhere like .xprofile or specifying
 741         your mouse parameters in an XOrg config file.
 742         While I personally love config files, manually configuring
 743         some settings can be intimidating for newcomers and it gets
 744         even worse when you also have to setup multiple non-binary
 745         vars that only accept specific values (ie dpi, sensitivity,
 746         acceleration etc).
 747
 748         It seems like half the commenters are expecting that there
 749         should be some magic software or standard UI element that is
 750         mandatory in every distribution of Linux ... many of us don’t
 751         want bloated garbage that we will never use.
 752         You're spot on regarding unnecessary cruft bloating a default
 753         installation. However if a noob-friendly desktop-use distro
 754         (or rather DE) already provides a basic mouse configuration
 755         utility in its system settings I think it would really make
 756         sense if they could merely add a couple of additional
 757         elements to expose and configure stuff like this.
 758         The thing is, not all peripherals can be supported through
 759         the same utilities (at least not for stuff like dpi), but
 760         thankfully bosic stuff like acceleration are merely handled
 761         by libinput (and others).
 762         On the other hand, libinput doesn't even expose proper
 763         configuration files, so if you're on Wayland and your
 764         compositor doesn't provide a tool to modify acceleration and
 765         other parameters you're pretty much stuck with the default
 766         settings!
 767
 768
 769   ** redstoolthrowawayy
 770      xset m 0 0
 771
 772      ** KarKraKr
 773         That does not disable mouse acceleration 100%.
 774
 775         ** learn2dev
 776            Fr? What does? I'm worried bc I play tf2 with raw input on
 777            and xset m 0 0.
 778            How can I make sure acceleration is off?
 779
 780
 781
 782      ** Sempre01
 783         Thats temporary.
 784
 785         ** _____frost___
 786            You can make commands execute at startup in several ways..
 787
 788            ** Sempre01
 789               Thats way too complicated for 99% of gamers coming from
 790               Windows.
 791
 792               ** BulletDust
 793                  Geez, I've done more complicated things just getting
 794                  games running the way they should under Windows.
 795                  I personally think you've set the bar a little low
 796                  considering the technical ability of most gamers. I
 797                  enjoy gaming and I had mouse acceleration disabled
 798                  permanently in seconds under Ubuntu MATE.
 799                  This procedure is far from difficult (I run 16.04):
 800                  [1]https://errorfixer.co/disable-mouse-acceleration-
 801                  ubuntu-16-04/
 802
 803
 804
 805
 806                  [1]
 807                  https://errorfixer.co/disable-mouse-acceleration-ubu-
 808                  ntu-16-04/
 809
 810                  ** Greydmiyu
 811                     I've hated mouse acceleration ever since it was
 812                     introduced. I've never had to "move the mouse
 813                     over half the table." Called tweaking sensitivity
 814                     for the available space. Right now the mouse I am
 815                     using for my laptop has less area than a standard
 816                     sized hot pad (7"x7"). I only use that as a unit
 817                     of measurement because my dinner is on a hot pad
 818                     next to the mouse and takes up more room than
 819                     what my mouse has to move.
 820
 821
 822                  ** TurbulentCurrent
 823                     I don't use acceleration and my mouse has to move
 824                     less than 4 cm for the pointer to move from one
 825                     corner to the diagonally opposite corner on a
 826                     1080p screen.
 827
 828
 829                  ** lordofbud
 830                     99% of user?
 831                     I have never heard someone praise mouse
 832                     acceleration, I have on the other hand heard
 833                     people bitch about it.
 834
 835
 836                  ** energybeing
 837                     You're literally the only person I've ever seen
 838                     defend mouse acceleration. I don't think that
 839                     number is as high as you think it is. That shit
 840                     is cancer. Just up the sensitivity a little bit
 841                     if you can't be bothered to move your hand a few
 842                     inches FFS.
 843
 844
 845
 846               ** lulxD69420
 847                  Windows where you need a ton of 3rd party software,
 848                  registry editing to make the OS not spy and do weird
 849                  stuff randomly? Just wow
 850
 851                  ** Sempre01
 852                     Its not a good idea to make Linux easier to use
 853                     for everyone?
 854
 855                     ** biAlotOFthings
 856                        lol no. Gatekeeping gets these people off
 857                        bruh. Some of them absolutely do not want
 858                        things like this to be more accessible. God
 859                        forbid my 97 year old gramps can get anything
 860                        done on the ubuntu distro I installed on his
 861                        desktop.
 862                        Imagine this kind of neckbeardy attitude in
 863                        any other field of interest.
 864                        "My coq au vin recipe tastes too savory what
 865                        can I do??"
 866                        -- "Hurr durr maybe next time try yourself on
 867                        [1]this instead"
 868                        Fucking insufferable
 869
 870
 871
 872
 873                        [1]
 874                        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thum-
 875                        b/5/57/Lunchables%2C_turkey_and_american_crack-
 876                        er_stackers.jpg/250px-Lunchables%2C_turkey_and-
 877                        _american_cracker_stackers.jpg
 878
 879                        ** civilization_failed
 880                           1337 af
 881
 882                           ** MasterPythonicSlave
 883                              i installed arch in less than 10 tries i
 884                              kno what im talking abou
 885
 886
 887
 888                        ** Greydmiyu
 889                           [1]https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx-
 890                           1eM/giphy.gif
 891
 892
 893
 894
 895                           [1]
 896                           https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM-
 897                           /giphy.gif
 898
 899
 900                        ** Sempre01
 901                           ok...
 902
 903
 904
 905                     ** Sempre01
 906                        Thats really mean.
 907
 908
 909                     ** toidiboy
 910                        I have a better suggestion
 911                        sudo rm elitism-in-linux
 912
 913
 914
 915
 916
 917
 918
 919   ** m-p-3
 920      I guess that explains why I always find the mouse sluggish on
 921      Linux, TIL.
 922
 923   ** walterbanana
 924      Just like Windows, to be fair. Nowadays you can change the
 925      acceleration profile in Gnome Tweak tool, if you are using Gnome
 926      anyway.
 927
 928   ** Appofia
 929      Flat in KDE does not disable acceleration as some people are
 930      claiming, at least not for me, there's still acceleration
 931      present it's just a different curve, or it's bugged.
 932      Not having proper GUI settings for mouse controls is my number 1
 933      issue with running Linux these days. It's baffling why something
 934      that so many people want to change/adjust has to be done with
 935      editing files or creating scripts.
 936
 937      ** Sasamus
 938         It's bugged, at least for some, the profile settings does not
 939         change the profile.
 940
 941
 942   ** paanordpolen
 943      Long live xinput commands
 944
 945   ** cloudrac3r
 946      Play around with the xinput command-line tool. Specifically,
 947      Device Accel Profile (aceleration type) and Device Accel
 948      Constant Deceleration (speed). My preferred settings are -1 and
 949      1.25 respectively, and I have this script to set them for me:
 950      a="$(xinput | grep 'Logitech USB Receiver' | awk '{print $6}' |
 951      sed 's/id=//')"
 952      for i in $a; do
 953      b="$(xinput list-props $i | grep 'Device Accel Constant
 954      Deceleration')"
 955      b=${b##*(}
 956      b=${b%%)*}
 957      xinput set-prop $i $b 1.25
 958      b="$(xinput list-props $i | grep 'Device Accel Profile')"
 959      b=${b##*(}
 960      b=${b%%)*}
 961      xinput set-prop $i $b -1
 962      done
 963      For a synaptics touchpad, use the synclient command line tool.
 964
 965   ** gluka_
 966      It's true and in KDE at least, setting the slider to zero
 967      doesn't actually give you raw input like xorg configs will (it
 968      feels smoothed). From what I can tell, there's also no real
 969      option for changing your desktop sensitivity once you're rid of
 970      mouse acceleration if you don't have working DPI settings.
 971      Changing the transform matrix through xinput seems like the best
 972      solution, but causes the camera to spin uncontrollably in a ton
 973      of games for some reason.
 974
 975      I suppose you could make a script to disable/enable it as
 976      needed, but most games have menus and overlays that you need to
 977      interact with regularly so that would be a lot of hotkey presses
 978      over time.
 979
 980      ** 5had0w5talk3r
 981         in KDE at least, setting the slider to zero doesn't actually
 982         give you raw input
 983         Did you set your profile to 'flat'?
 984
 985
 986      ** Sasamus
 987         With the adaptive profile the slider adjusts the amount of
 988         acceleration.
 989         With the flat profile the slider adjusts the
 990         sensitivity/speed.
 991         The problem is that the profile setting doesn't seem to work,
 992         at least for some.
 993         But the slider works as it should if you set the profile in
 994         other ways.
 995
 996
 997   ** ismaelbonato
 998      xset m 00
 999
1000   ** undu
1001      Touchpad acceleration shouldn't be a problem anymore:
1002      [1]https://who-t.blogspot.com/2018/08/libinputs-new-trackpoint-a-
1003      cceleration.html
1004
1005
1006
1007
1008      [1]
1009      https://who-t.blogspot.com/2018/08/libinputs-new-trackpoint-acce-
1010      leration.html
1011
1012   ** citewiki
1013      Shouldn't it be in the game settings anyway?
1014
1015   ** Zach_Attakk
1016      I don't know if it's because I'm used to the "enhanced pointer
1017      precision" on Windows, but every time I go back to my Zorin
1018      machine, I keep overshooting buttons, even when moving slowly.
1019      I'd also like to be able to set the sensitivity of my mouse vs
1020      my trackpad independently, because one is super slow and the
1021      other super fast and I don't want to switch it every time I
1022      decide not to plug in the mouse.
1023
1024   ** TurbulentCurrent
1025      On X you can easily disable it by typing xset m 1 0
1026      in the terminal
1027      But on Wayland (libinput), I have not found a way to disable it,
1028      that's why I don't use any distro that comes with Wayland.
1029
1030      ** Saizaku_
1031         Just to stop missinformatiom from spreading, xset no longer
1032         works the way it used to due to the changes in x. You should
1033         use config files, read more about that here:
1034         [1]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Di-
1035         sabling_mouse_acceleration
1036
1037
1038
1039
1040         [1]
1041         https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disab-
1042         ling_mouse_acceleration
1043
1044
1045   ** inverimus
1046      Honestly, most people probably want it on, so having to use some
1047      google searches to turn it off is not a very big deal.
1048
1049      ** lordofbud
1050         Not trying to bash you, but if you're using a physical mouse
1051         instead of a touch pad, why would you want mouse acceleration
1052         on?
1053         It out right annoys me, the first thing I set out to address
1054         on a fresh install is disabling it.
1055
1056         ** inverimus
1057            I don't have it on, but I think most people do not bother
1058            ever turning it off and are used to it being on all the
1059            time.
1060
1061
1062
1063      ** MightyWheatley
1064         still, there should be an easy to find option for those who
1065         want to turn it off
1066
1067
1068   ** Prime624
1069      Huh. I actually love the mouse sensitivity and acceleration on
1070      Linux (and Mac). I can barely use a windows mouse anymore, it's
1071      so touchy or sluggish, no good balance.
1072
1073      ** volca02
1074         It's okay if you do - but there are those with high-dpi mice
1075         used to RAW input without any acceleration - and I'm one of
1076         them. It's mind boggling why the common desktop environments
1077         don't allow for total bypass of the mouse input processing.
1078
1079
1080      ** LordMacharius
1081         I prefer accuracy, mouse acceleration on a mouse is the most
1082         frustrating thing to work with.
1083
1084
1085   ** the_Madman
1086      KDE's mouse settings panel allows you to set the acceleration to
1087      "dynamic"or "flat". I switched it off the first chance I got.
1088
1089   ** 84521
1090      Is that why the mouse is so fucky in Ubuntu? And no way to
1091      toggle it off?
1092
1093   ** ReadAParadox
1094      You can disable it in Ubuntu but it's kinda complicated, first
1095      install gnome-tweak-tool then go to mouse settings (in
1096      gnome-tweak-tool) then change acceleration profile from whatever
1097      it is to flat.
1098
1099   ** supamesican
1100      YUp, my biggest complaint about it. Manjaro doesnt seem too bad
1101      about it but still its not ok
1102
1103   ** EdgiPing
1104      Upvote for the edit.
1105
1106   ** GeeWhizWithout
1107      I have used Linux in some fashion for decades. Work, pleasure,
1108      etc. Mouse issues are my most hated thing. I use a trackball and
1109      it's not always good.
1110
1111   ** UltimaN3rd
1112      I installed Ubuntu 18.04 fresh just a few weeks ago and don't
1113      have any mouse acceleration by default. It was always a problem
1114      before but it seems like they changed it?
1115
1116   ** BenkiTheBuilder
1117      I'm just using plain X11 with Fluxbox (on Ubuntu Xenial) and
1118      haven't changed anything regarding mouse. And I'm happy with how
1119      the cursor moves. Guess it's an anti-feature of Desktop
1120      Environments.
1121
1122   ** mao_dze_dun
1123      I have absolutely no idea why you got ANY downvotes. This has
1124      been a legitimate problem that has been present on, at least,
1125      all Ubuntu based distros I've used. They want to increase market
1126      share but can't fix the effing mouse? What the hell?
1127
1128   ** stormicex
1129      It's the reason I still use windows. Even if I disable the mouse
1130      acceleration from tweak tool the feel of the mouse is horrible
1131      in csgo. I tried 5 years ago and tried again some months ago.
1132      Still shit. We'll see in another 5 years lol
1133
1134      ** LordMacharius
1135         You can't be bothered to look up the software you need so you
1136         use Windows instead, wtf?
1137
1138         ** stormicex
1139            maybe you need to read again my post. Even with
1140            acceleration disabled mouse feels weird on linux compared
1141            to what feel on windows. Aim is super important while
1142            playing csgo and if my mouse don't feel precise i can't
1143            play on linux.
1144
1145
1146
1147   ** tutami
1148      This and screen tearing is linuxs doom. We need to fix those
1149      issues
1150
1151      ** n30p1r4t3
1152         No screen tearing to speak of for me on mesa/amdgpu... I’ve
1153         only ever had screen tearing using intel or nvidia.
1154
1155         ** tutami
1156            %90 ppl are using Nvidia/Intel. There are workatounds but
1157            at the cost of performance etc
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