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+ 'I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE OF CONSUMER AI, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE' \r
+ (THEREGISTER.CO.UK) \r
+\r
+ Thursday September 06, 2018 @11:30PM (msmash)\r
+ from the there-is-no-spoon dept.\r
+\r
+ o News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/06/205221/ive-seen-the-future-of-consumer-ai-and-it-doesnt-have-one\r
+ o Source link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/05/consumer_ai_ifa_2018_roundup/\r
+\r
+\r
+ Andrew Orlowski of The Register recounts all the gadgets\r
+ supercharged with AI that he came across at IFA tradeshow last\r
+ week -- and wonders what value AI brought to the table. He\r
+ writes: I didn't see a blockchain toothbrush at IFA in Berlin\r
+ last week, but I'm sure there was one lurking about somewhere.\r
+ With 30 vast halls to cover, I didn't look too hard for it.\r
+ But I did see many things almost as tragic that no one could\r
+ miss -- AI being squeezed into almost every conceivable bit of\r
+ consumer electronics. But none were convincing. If ever there\r
+ was a solution looking for a problem, it's ramming AI into\r
+ gadgets to show of a company's machine learning prowess. For\r
+ the consumer it adds unreliability, cost and complexity, and\r
+ the annoyance of being prompted. [...] Back to LG, which takes\r
+ 2018's prize for sticking AI into a superfluous gadget. The\r
+ centrepiece of its AI efforts this year is a robot, ClOi. Put\r
+ Google Assistant or Alexa on wheels, and you have ClOi. I\r
+ asked the booth person what exactly ClOi could do to be told\r
+ "it can take notes for your shopping list." Why wasn't this\r
+ miracle of the Fourth Industrial Revolution let loose on the\r
+ LG floor? I wondered -- a question answered by this account of\r
+ ClOi's debut at CES in January. Clearly things haven't\r
+ improved much -- this robot buddy was kept indoors.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Stupid industry fads (Score:5, Funny)\r
+ (by Spy Handler ( 822350 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ 3D printer in every home will fundamentally change human society\r
+ IoT internet connected belt buckles and toothbrushes will take\r
+ over the world\r
+ AI will revolutionize consumer electronics\r
+ Net PC from Sun will dominate the computer industry (this one is\r
+ really old)\r
+\r
+ ** Re:Stupid industry fads (Score:5, Insightful)\r
+ (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of\r
+ disillusionment. But as the TOD fades, plenty of mature,\r
+ practical applications are likely to emerge. The\r
+ technological naysayers are usually even more wrong than the\r
+ hypesters.\r
+ [1]Hype cycle [wikipedia.org]\r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of\r
+ > disillusionment.\r
+ Pro Tip: Get out in front and mention this *before* taking\r
+ your date home. Better for her to hear it from you than\r
+ her working it out on her own ... :-)\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re:Stupid industry fads (Score:4, Insightful)\r
+ (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ If smart phones and tablets are any indicator ...\r
+ AI, too, is an evolutionary dead end.\r
+ It's a buzz word with a vacuous definition.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by Q-Hack! ( 37846 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Not a lot different than back in the 1950's when the\r
+ trend was to create all manor of odd gadgets to make\r
+ life easier. Those deemed useful are still around...\r
+ The rest can be found in junk markets around the world.\r
+ But hey, the Cracker-barrel's of the future will still\r
+ need stuff to decorate their walls with.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ In reaction to your sig:\r
+ I recently re-read "Nineteen Eighty-Four," because\r
+ my first reading was so long ago.\r
+ Good read, but what a goddam depressing book!\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by magzteel ( 5013587 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > Excessive hype is always followed by a trough of\r
+ > disillusionment. But as the TOD fades, plenty of mature,\r
+ > practical applications are likely to emerge. The\r
+ > technological naysayers are usually even more wrong than\r
+ > the hypesters.\r
+ > [1]Hype cycle [wikipedia.org]\r
+ Back in the early PC days, when you had to hook up a\r
+ cassette player to load your application, and then another\r
+ one to load your data, we used to tell people they could\r
+ store recipes on their TRS-80 personal computer. This was\r
+ not much of a productivity enhancer. I'm sure based on\r
+ this experience some people would have thought PC's were\r
+ useless and had no future.\r
+ And then floppy disks and spreadsheets were invented.\r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by jythie ( 914043 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ It is really difficult to say if the naysayers or\r
+ hypesters are more often right or wrong. One problem with\r
+ looking back at negative guesses is we only really\r
+ remember the ones that turned out to be wrong since the\r
+ evidence is in modern use today, while all the naysayers\r
+ that we right, well, the things they were right about\r
+ faded into obscurity.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ You only count as a "true" naysayer if you are negative\r
+ about an overhyped trend with groupies and fanbois, not\r
+ about an obviously stupid idea.\r
+ The naysayers were right about the Segway, but that was\r
+ an easy target, since it reached peak hype before it\r
+ had even been shown to the public.\r
+ Other tech failures were Iridium, Zune, Pebble,\r
+ Juicero. But none of these were hyped as world changing\r
+ technology.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > In the long term only 1/20 companies really make it.\r
+ Success of a technology is rarely correlated with the\r
+ success of particular companies. Silicon Valley is\r
+ littered with plaques marking the graves of\r
+ semiconductor pioneering companies. Few of them\r
+ survived. Yet semiconductors have been the greatest\r
+ technological success since fire was tamed.\r
+ For another example, look at aviation. It took 66 years\r
+ to go from Kitty Hawk to the Sea of Tranquility. Yet\r
+ how many airlines made money during those years? Almost\r
+ none.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:1)\r
+ (by atherophage ( 2481624 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Prognosticators have been wrong before. While it is easy to\r
+ poke fun at the unusual who knows, perhaps in a few years\r
+ dental floss will come with AI. The thought of not having AI\r
+ floss will be unthinkable.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:3, Interesting)\r
+ (by Anonymous Coward)\r
+\r
+ \r
+ As much as I am a nerd, I blame "nerds" for this. There is\r
+ this whole new fad of being a "techie", watching Big Bang\r
+ Theory, owning a Tesla, and generally being absolutely\r
+ ignorant about real science, technology and math while\r
+ "pretending" to be a nerd. I used "pretending" but there may\r
+ be some legitimate attempt but it is hard to tell if someone\r
+ is a fake nerd or just a stupid nerd. I think this trend\r
+ partly follows from women trying to follow the (tech) money\r
+ and then men trying to follow the women.\r
+ This\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *)\r
+\r
+ \r
+ I don't know that there's a lot of these people but they\r
+ do exist, for certain yes. The 'watching big bang theory'\r
+ is the kicker, once someone admits watching that, you know\r
+ they're very unlikely to be a 'proper nerd' for lack of a\r
+ better term.\r
+ Considering they only have partial skills in technology\r
+ then, we can likely guess, if they work in the industry,\r
+ they're probably higher on the ladder than us and paid\r
+ more though :/ like most management / consultant types.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:3)\r
+ (by JMJimmy ( 2036122 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ The thing no one can consider is time.\r
+ "AI" being jammed into things now is probably lame, awkward,\r
+ and of very limited use. Much like computers were back in the\r
+ punch card days with devices that. Less than 100 years later\r
+ we've got computers in our pocket. We are in the early days\r
+ of AI - we'll look back on it decades from now as we do with\r
+ things like: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?...\r
+ [youtube.com]\r
+ This article is just another example of someone who can't see\r
+ past their nose to the road ahead and the million differen\r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7MHZY2ADI\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by AHuxley ( 892839 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Good for a few workers over the decade of hype.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by m00sh ( 2538182 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > 3D printer in every home will fundamentally change human\r
+ > society\r
+ > IoT internet connected belt buckles and toothbrushes will\r
+ > take over the world\r
+ > AI will revolutionize consumer electronics\r
+ > Net PC from Sun will dominate the computer industry (this one\r
+ > is really old)\r
+ I don't know about home but it plays a big part in\r
+ manufacturing. There are very specialized and successful\r
+ medical companies that use 3d printing.\r
+ Don't know about belt buckles but fitbit, apple watch, garmin\r
+ has been worth billions of dollars and fundamentally changed\r
+ the way a lot of people do things.\r
+ I don't know about NetPC but what about the cloud? The hype\r
+ that we would all put all our stuff in the cloud blah blah\r
+ actually materialized. There are many companies who own no\r
+ hardware except the dev la\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by lokedhs ( 672255 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Net PC was not from Sun. I should I know, I worked for them\r
+ during that era. What they had was JavaStation, which was a\r
+ neat idea but ahead of its time. That concept is now realised\r
+ by the Chromebook. Net PC was a Compaq thing, if I recall\r
+ correctly. However, Wikipedia tells me it was Oracle, so\r
+ perhaps the Compaq device was called something else.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by bobbied ( 2522392 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > Example: Apple will go under...any day now....since 1984\r
+ But they've been totally correct in not predicting the "Year\r
+ of the Linux Desktop" has come.\r
+ You win a few and lose a few.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by jythie ( 914043 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ *nod* to expand on this.... true, Apple never did go\r
+ under. But look how many computer companies started up\r
+ around the same time and did. It is fun to look at the\r
+ successes and compare them to the naysayers who were\r
+ wrong, but the ones who were right, well, their\r
+ predictions did not leave much to talk about today.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re:Now With AI! (Score:5, Informative)\r
+ (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > Gee, I could have sworn we already HAD the AI craze back in\r
+ > the late 80s. Or was it early 90s?\r
+ It was the 1980s. It had faded long before 1990.\r
+ But there was an earlier AI craze in the 1960s, based on\r
+ perceptrons. That faded by 1970.\r
+ The 1980 AI hype cycle was driven by "expert systems" and\r
+ "Lisp machines".\r
+ The latest cycle started in 2006 with the publication of the\r
+ [1]seminal paper on deep learning [sciencemag.org], and has\r
+ so far lasted far longer than any previous AI hype cycle.\r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ [1] http://science.sciencemag.org/content/313/5786/504\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ I go way back, too.\r
+ AI had an unambiguous definition that eroded under stress\r
+ because the industry came to the realization that the "I"\r
+ part (intelligence) used the human mind as the high bar.\r
+ The second epiphany came when no one could fabricate an AI\r
+ that would simply refuse to cooperate if Facebook was\r
+ unreachable.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by Pseudonym ( 62607 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ In the 90s it was all "knowledge-based systems" and in the\r
+ noughties it was all "intelligent agents".\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > In the 90s it was all "knowledge-based systems" and in\r
+ > the noughties it was all "intelligent agents".\r
+ Yes, but those generated far less hype than what\r
+ happened in the 60s, 80s, and teenies.\r
+ The big things in the 90s and noughties were the web\r
+ and e-commerce.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by CWCheese ( 729272 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Thanks for the Lisp reference! I fondly remember learning\r
+ Lisp in an AI class during college in the 80s. Actually\r
+ enjoyed programming Lisp because it could be so terse and\r
+ do so much very rapidly. However, we really had no good\r
+ applications to use for it, other than having an\r
+ application learn the best way to win a chess game. I\r
+ chose not to pursue AI as a career and haven't suffered\r
+ for that.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > I chose not to pursue AI as a career and haven't\r
+ > suffered for that.\r
+ Learning Lisp would not have helped you. Modern AI uses\r
+ mostly Python based libraries such as Tensorflow and\r
+ PyTorch. C++ is used for performance critical stuff.\r
+ Nobody uses Lisp for AI anymore. It was a dead end.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Fifth Generation (Score:2)\r
+ (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Fueling the hype in the 1980s AI cycle was the Japanese\r
+ Fifth Generation project, for which a stated goal was to\r
+ leapfrog the West's computer technology and skills. People\r
+ like Edward Feigenbaum and Pamela McCorduck used the FUD\r
+ generated around this project to call for increased\r
+ funding, claiming in their 1983 book 'The Fifth\r
+ Generation: Japan’s Computer Challenge to the World' that\r
+ "America needs a national plan of action, a kind of space\r
+ shuttle program for the knowledge systems of the future."\r
+ A\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by Torodung ( 31985 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > Cats on the blockchain, anyone?\r
+ Well, at the very least, every zig should be on the\r
+ blockchain. Don't know about Cats.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** You can stop reading at "Orlowski" (Score:4, Interesting)\r
+ (by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Andrew Orlowski of The Register is basically a professional\r
+ dickhead. His main goal seems to be to be as obnoxious and\r
+ ignorant as possible presumably with the goal of trolling the\r
+ readership. He's pretty much the reason I stopped reading the\r
+ Register because of the constant streem of utter bullshit from\r
+ that guy.\r
+\r
+ ** Re:You can stop reading at "Orlowski" (Score:4, Interesting)\r
+ (by starless ( 60879 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ And also appears to be climate change denier....\r
+ (at least for some of his Register articles.)\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by TJ_Phazerhacki ( 520002 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ So, Walt Mossberg for a new generation? Shutup!\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** AI in a Toaster! (Score:2)\r
+ (by Zorro ( 15797 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Red Dwarf has already shown why this is a BAD Idea.\r
+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhnN4eUiei4\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by Revek ( 133289 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Please learn basic html K, thanks.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *)\r
+\r
+ \r
+ How about slashdot stop being entirely backwards with that\r
+ shit instead?\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ But I do like being able to verbally ask my phone to navigate\r
+ to a contact, without having to squint at a screen in the\r
+ sun, and get turn by turn directions. Digital assistants have\r
+ slipped into a place in my life where they do a few useful\r
+ things. As time goes on, this set will grow larger.\r
+ But I know: "If it works, it's not AI!" "If it's AI, it won't\r
+ work!"\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Aibo (Score:1)\r
+ (by Anonymous Coward)\r
+\r
+ \r
+ If Sony's Aibo lives up to the demos I have seen - that would be\r
+ one big application. AI as a pet.\r
+ I also use AI (maybe more ML) all the time with photo sorting,\r
+ image recognition, etc. It is already in the home.\r
+\r
+ ** OP must be joking... (Score:4, Insightful)\r
+ (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ ... because consumer AI is *ALREADY* ubiquitous and all around\r
+ us.\r
+ From the face detection in your phone, to the fuzzy logic\r
+ controllers in washing machines, to the ant colony algorithms\r
+ being used to route network traffic, to finding directions with\r
+ google maps, to Netflix and Amazon's recommendation algorithms,\r
+ to OCR for cheques and mail, to NEST thermostats, to robot\r
+ vacuum cleaners and lawn mowers, to expert systems in medical\r
+ diagnosis... (I could keep going)\r
+ AI in consumer products is literally *already* ALL around us.\r
+ Saying that consumer AI "has no future" is like looking around\r
+ at the world today and saying "personal cars have no future" -\r
+ it's completely idiotic because to anyone with half an ounce of\r
+ perception that future is ALREADY here.\r
+ It's like looking at a forest and claiming there are no trees\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by grahamsz ( 150076 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Yeah it seems like it is a natural fit in optimizing the\r
+ things we do.\r
+ Even though I don't routinely use my phone as an alarm clock,\r
+ it still knows when i'm likely to get up and if I plug it in\r
+ at bed time it'll do a good job of figuring out when i'm\r
+ likely to get up and adjusts its charging rate to be done\r
+ about an hour before then. Yet if I plug it in a 3pm then\r
+ it'll assume i want as much charge as possible and charge as\r
+ fast as it can. It's not rocket science, but it's useful.\r
+ Do I need a dishwasher with\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > Do I need a dishwasher with a screen that I can talk to?\r
+ Nope, but I'm willing to bet it has an embedded fuzzy\r
+ logic controller in it to control water levels.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ "Do I need a dishwasher with a screen that I can talk to?"\r
+ Printers have a screen. You can't talk to it (at least\r
+ you're not supposed to--when aggravated, I've been know to\r
+ do so, and not kindly). But try to decipher what's on that\r
+ screen. I claim that printers are not any easier to use\r
+ than they were in 1984 (which is when I got my first dot\r
+ matrix printer). You (ok, I) *still* can't figure out\r
+ what's wrong with them, despite the screen.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > None of the tings you mention actually contain any real\r
+ > artificial intelligence in the sense of being able to\r
+ > making decisions in the face of unknown circumstances and\r
+ > data sources.\r
+ They do actually.\r
+ Roombas have to be able to adapt to unknown obstacles and\r
+ uncertain sensory input (could get blocked, partially\r
+ occluded etc...).\r
+ Embedded fuzzy logic controllers (also used in anti-lock\r
+ brakes) have to be able to maintain a steady output signal\r
+ given uncertain input (wear and tear on the mechanics,\r
+ grit...) that can vary wildly in an unknown manner.\r
+ OCR systems need to be able to tell the difference between\r
+ a cheque and unknown things, like night club flyers, and\r
+ they deal with hand written\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:1)\r
+ (by AHuxley ( 892839 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Re "face detection" is not AI. Its a really big and fast\r
+ database. Filled with faces the police know about and random\r
+ people walking past CCTV.\r
+ Re "fuzzy logic controllers in washing machines" A set amount\r
+ of power, water, weight of laundry is not AI. Just good\r
+ programming within set limits.\r
+ Re "'finding directions" with maps that are created and set.\r
+ Re "recommendation algorithms" that is set by past people\r
+ buying things and another person showing the same interests.\r
+ More to do with collecting lots\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > ..."face detection" is not AI. Its a really big and fast\r
+ > database. Filled with faces the police know...\r
+ ...and just HOW do the faces "police know" get matched to\r
+ this database? Explain without reference to AI.\r
+ > ..."fuzzy logic controllers in washing machines" A set\r
+ > amount of power, water, weight of laundry is not AI.\r
+ No it isn't, but you're a fool if you think your washing\r
+ machine is that simple these days. It DOES take fuzzy\r
+ logic to adapt to things like wear and tear on the\r
+ machine, arbitrarily changing water pressures and\r
+ temperatures, etc... and still maintain consistent\r
+ performance.\r
+ > "'finding directions" with maps that are created and set.\r
+ ...and using AI algorithms to find the best path.\r
+ Blah blah blah... you get the point. You've deliberately\r
+ downplayed the AI aspect\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by JoeDuncan ( 874519 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ You are clearly uneducated, Troll.\r
+ If you actually wish to enlighten yourself, I'd start\r
+ here: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]\r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ \r
+ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by hazem ( 472289 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > From the face detection in your phone, to the fuzzy logic\r
+ > controllers in washing machines, to the ant colony algorithms\r
+ > being used to route network traffic, to finding directions\r
+ > with google maps, to Netflix and Amazon's recommendation\r
+ > algorithms, to OCR for cheques and mail, to NEST thermostats,\r
+ > to robot vacuum cleaners and lawn mowers, to expert systems\r
+ > in medical diagnosis... (I could keep going)\r
+ When I took an AI class a few years ago, one of my favorite\r
+ things the professor said was, "What we called 'AI' yesterday\r
+ is simply the algorithm for how we do a thing today."\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** AI's Strength (Score:2)\r
+ (by thePsychologist ( 1062886 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ AI (i.e. machine learning/neural networks) is really good at\r
+ optimizing stuff, so its natural strength shows when you have\r
+ hundreds of thousands of entities in a system. Examples are the\r
+ electricity grid, playing Go, and a department store's\r
+ inventory.\r
+ In our individual lives, AI seems more like another drop in the\r
+ bucket of too much technology, and I think one day we'll realize\r
+ that less is more when it comes to the stuff in our homes.\r
+\r
+ ** Getting concerned myself (Score:1)\r
+ (by SuperKendall ( 25149 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ I was looking at new fridges recently as a friend was asking for\r
+ a recommendation, and it's alarming how trying to find a fridge\r
+ without a screen is getting to be like trying to find a cell\r
+ phone without a camera... it really limits your options.\r
+ The only way they could make fridges any worse is the if screens\r
+ also played CNN constantly when not in use, like in an\r
+ airport... you can absolutely see subsidized ad-fridges coming\r
+ down the pipeline.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by lgw ( 121541 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Seems like only the highest and lowest-end fridges lack\r
+ screens these days (as well as ice/water in the door,\r
+ something else I could do without).\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Come to my house. The refr *has* an ice/water dispenser in\r
+ the door, but it hasn't worked for over a year. I think\r
+ the tube to the water dispenser is frozen, and if it gets\r
+ thawed, it just freezes up again. Same with the water\r
+ dispenser on the refr nearest my office at work.\r
+ As for the ice dispenser on our refr, we never used it, so\r
+ I took it out and got lots more room in the freezer. If we\r
+ want ice cubes, we make them in trays, like the 1960s.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:3)\r
+ (by sheramil ( 921315 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > What the hell does a fridge need a screen for?\r
+ You can connect it to a webcam inside the fridge and see\r
+ if the light goes out when you close the door.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** I remember a time... (Score:2)\r
+ (by Dallas May ( 4891515 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ My uncle was a computer scientist for a National Lab. He retired\r
+ 15 or so years ago. I remember just after my grandmother first\r
+ got internet, he didn't have it at his home yet because he\r
+ didn't believe it was safe -this was probably 1997 or 98, and I\r
+ remember him talking to me about how disappointed he was with\r
+ the internet. "It was supposed to be this great thing. It's\r
+ useless. It'll never amount to anything."\r
+ Yeah, he was wrong.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by bobbied ( 2522392 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > My uncle was a computer scientist for a National Lab. He\r
+ > retired 15 or so years ago. I remember just after my\r
+ > grandmother first got internet, he didn't have it at his home\r
+ > yet because he didn't believe it was safe -this was probably\r
+ > 1997 or 98, and I remember him talking to me about how\r
+ > disappointed he was with the internet. "It was supposed to be\r
+ > this great thing. It's useless. It'll never amount to\r
+ > anything."\r
+ > Yeah, he was wrong.\r
+ Was he? Was he really?\r
+ How much of the internet is truly useful and how much is just\r
+ trash? Judging by my inbox, the number of E-mail in my inbox\r
+ the ratio 1s more than 10 to 1 SPAM to worth while messages\r
+ (And that's AFTER the SPAM filters.)\r
+ I find that this ratio pretty much governs the whole of the\r
+ internet.. Where 1/10th of it is actually something of use\r
+ and the rest is just useless junk.\r
+ So he's not that wrong.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** \r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by mcswell ( 1102107 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ And here you (and I) are.\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** I heard... (Score:1)\r
+ (by Hentai007 ( 188457 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ AI is turning frogs gay.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *)\r
+\r
+ \r
+ That's actually not true, the frogs are only gay for pay.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** Nobody buys something because of AI (Score:3)\r
+ (by Laxator2 ( 973549 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ I did not see any example where someone says: "I did not buy\r
+ that product because it lacked AI".\r
+ I did not hear from anyone that they need AI so they are going\r
+ out of their way to buy it. In its current form AI is good for\r
+ pattern recognition in some cases, for example, face\r
+ identification in photos.\r
+ The only customers are corporations with massive collections of\r
+ personal data to analyze, but not individual consumers.\r
+ I believe AI has been over-hyped and pushed in areas where it is\r
+ not usable in its current form (like self-driving cars) and we\r
+ start to see the backlash.\r
+ I've already seen stories saying that the medical diagnoses made\r
+ by IBM's Watson are just plain wrong. More examples will follow.\r
+\r
+ ** Re: (Score:2)\r
+ (by m00sh ( 2538182 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ > I did not see any example where someone says: "I did not buy\r
+ > that product because it lacked AI".\r
+ > I did not hear from anyone that they need AI so they are\r
+ > going out of their way to buy it. In its current form AI is\r
+ > good for pattern recognition in some cases, for example, face\r
+ > identification in photos. The only customers are corporations\r
+ > with massive collections of personal data to analyze, but not\r
+ > individual consumers. I believe AI has been over-hyped and\r
+ > pushed in areas where it is not usable in its current form\r
+ > (like self-driving cars) and we start to see the backlash.\r
+ > I've already seen stories saying that the medical diagnoses\r
+ > made by IBM's Watson are just plain wrong. More examples will\r
+ > follow.\r
+ What about Google home and Alexa?\r
+ How do you recognize pedestrians in self-driving cars without\r
+ AI?\r
+ IBM Watson was wrong quite a bit but it won jeopardy.\r
+\r
+\r
+ ** First they ignore you, ... (Score:1)\r
+ (by Maxo-Texas ( 864189 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight\r
+ you, then you win.\r
+ Mahatma Gandhi\r
+ This field is moving so fast compared to the 90s.\r
+\r
+ ** It's a dead end because it's not very good anyway (Score:2)\r
+ (by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ So-called 'AI' is over-hyped and under-performing.\r
+\r
+ ** Another AI winter? (Score:2)\r
+ (by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ The AI bubble seems to be starting to deflate. It may not pop,\r
+ but it will likely carry on shrinking. Most people already know\r
+ that Alex and co. are little more than gimmicks, good for party\r
+ games, grins and giggles, and little more. The AI community\r
+ seems to be making the same mistakes they made in the late 60s\r
+ and 70s. The second AI winter is nigh.\r
+\r
+ ** how do you see non-existent things ? (Score:2)\r
+ (by bingoUV ( 1066850 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ If Consumer AI doesn't have a future, how can that non-existent\r
+ future be seen ?\r
+ In an alternative interpretation, the author has seen the future\r
+ of Consumer AI and so of course it exists. But the future of the\r
+ future of Consumer AI doesn't exist. I.e. Future of Consumer AI\r
+ doesn't have one - where "one" stands for future.\r
+ Any other interpretations ?\r
+\r
+ ** It's not "Consumer AI" (Score:1)\r
+ (by themusicgod1 ( 241799 ))\r
+\r
+ \r
+ Since the consumer is not control of it.\r
+ \r
+ It's Anti-Consumer AI if anything\r
+\r
+\r
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