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1023                                 break;
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1030
1031
1032
1033 /* T2 feedback context-menu */
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1688                         <span id="comment_score_57266246" class="score"> (<a href="#" onclick="getModalPrefs('modcommentlog', 'Moderation Comment Log', 57266246); return false"><span class=opt>Score:</span>5</a>, Insightful)</span></h4>
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1691                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">gweihir</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">( 88907 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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1693                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:03PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266246">#57266246</a>)
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1699                 <div id="comment_body_57266246"><p>Naa, that would be un-capitalist. Developers must be cheap wage-slaves that do not have a real career-path and are unable to find a job once they hit 50. That will surely not have any impact on whether smart people go into software writing or not, right?</p></div>
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1731                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Dannis12345">Dannis12345</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Dannis12345">( 5512754 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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1816                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~ShanghaiBill">ShanghaiBill</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~ShanghaiBill">( 739463 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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1821                 <div id="comment_body_57266430"><p><div class="quote"><p>But even so, I hear these horror stories about how software developers are treated and I just have not seen it.</p></div><p>Me neither.  I have worked for companies that had catered meals, free soda, laundry service, sky diving bonding trips, etc.  I have had plenty of opportunities to travel. I have worked some late nights, and done a few death marches, but those only lasted a few weeks, out of a career lasting decades.</p><p>Software developers are likely the most spoiled employees in the history of the world.</p><p>People will alway whine.</p></div>
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1846                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">gweihir</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">( 88907 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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1851                 <div id="comment_body_57266570"><p><div class="quote"><p>People will alway whine.</p></div><p>And there you are wrong. I have a pretty good career myself. But I see how many coders are treated and I am not surprised at all that there are by far not enough good ones.</p></div>
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1876                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~NicknameUnavailable">NicknameUnavailable</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~NicknameUnavailable">( 4134147 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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1881                 <div id="comment_body_57266762">As much as I'm for better treatment and perks for coders, the issue of "not enough good ones" isn't because of that.  There's only so many smart people, dumb people and mediocre people don't make good coders.  Some of the above-average ones might make the cut as maintenance coders or some incredibly soul-crushing AGILE environment where they don't actually have to think, but for the most part any programming position of note requires a 150+ IQ to do even moderately well.</div>
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1923 How many 3+ standard deviation people are we supposed to believe you know?
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1961                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">gweihir</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">( 88907 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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1966                 <div id="comment_body_57266984"><p>The issue is very much that a lot of the few people that could be good at it, see the working conditions and career options and go somewhere else. Also, 150+IQ people basically do not exist. I gather this is some wired non-standard US scale...</p></div>
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2021                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~ShanghaiBill">ShanghaiBill</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~ShanghaiBill">( 739463 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2172                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~spagthorpe">spagthorpe</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~spagthorpe">( 111133 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2174                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @08:53PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266940">#57266940</a>)
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2180                 <div id="comment_body_57266940"><p>It won't really have any impact, because young people don't think they'll ever get old.  Or it will be different for them.</p><p>Had a 20-something at my last job make a number of comments about some of the older developers there, saying they'd hate to still be working at that age, and that they are probably stuck doing the same work because they can't learn anything new.  I don't know why he was telling me this, as I was twice his age at the time, but it's obvious that he doesn't think he'll be in the same position.</p><p>They ultimately did lay off a lot of their senior engineers and replace a lot of the position with 20-somethings, including in project management positions.  A number of those projects never saw the light of day after years of re-writes into new frameworks.</p></div>
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2223                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~xxxJonBoyxxx">xxxJonBoyxxx</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~xxxJonBoyxxx">( 565205 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2228                 <div id="comment_body_57266250">And open concept offices.</div>
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2253                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Seven+Spirals">Seven Spirals</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Seven+Spirals">( 4924941 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2255                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:45PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266444">#57266444</a>)
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2261                 <div id="comment_body_57266444">I've quit one job and refused two others because of open offices. The two I refused were absolutely flabbergasted by my refusal. They literally could not understand why anyone wouldn't want to be in an open office space surrounded on 3.8 sides by glass-walled manager offices, loud ugly marketing girls, and a bunch of H1B dudes who couldn't be bothered to wear deodorant. That place (MX Logic) had the worst looking office I've ever seen. One of them offered me the job on the spot after the interview and I was already shutting them down and refusing it before they even got started. I told them there is about a zero percent chance of getting anyone really talented to take the gig, because they had this ridiculous noisy slave pit thing going. I nearly left before I even *did* the interview I was so disgusted with the place. The hiring manager was (of course) offended, but he was also clueless. About a year after that interview I had a guy come up to me at the local Maker Space who was one of the "technical resources" for the company during the interview (quiet guy in the back of the room). He told me "My god was I cheering when you refused them over the goddamn open workspace idiocy. My boss was upset over that for weeks. They still talk about it during the hiring process and argue about it."</div>
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2293                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~bkmoore">bkmoore</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~bkmoore">( 1910118 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2298                 <div id="comment_body_57266696"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>....One of them offered me the job on the spot after the interview and I was already shutting them down and refusing it before they even got started.....</p></div><p>It begs the question, why even apply there in the first place.</p></div>
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2323                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Klaxton">Klaxton</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Klaxton">( 609696 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2328                 <div id="comment_body_57266980"><p><div class="quote"><p>It begs the question, why even apply there in the first place.</p></div><p>So you could see their office environment tucked away behind the job description on the internet?</p></div>
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2364                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">Ocker3</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">( 1232550 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2369                 <div id="comment_body_57266840">"But I can See everyone and I know that they're working" - Manager
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2371 If someone doesn't know enough about their direct report's job that they don't know whether they're working or not without seeing them at their desk, there's a problem. Not all jobs are reduced in efficiency by a cubicle farm, but if your job is primarily about mental focus for the time-intensive tasks, then most people will benefit from having their own room. And the employer will probably benefit enough that an actual room is a worthwhile</div>
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2396                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~erp_consultant">erp_consultant</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~erp_consultant">( 2614861 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2401                 <div id="comment_body_57267222"><p>Sounds like a real horror show. Safe to say you made the right move.</p></div>
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2426                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Klaxton">Klaxton</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Klaxton">( 609696 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2431                 <div id="comment_body_57267028">I've worked in the industry for many years, usually with a private office or shared with one person. Recently got a job in an agile "scrum" shop, which went to an open floorplan a few months later.  Miserable experience on both counts. Every day you get a Jira work ticket for some "the user wants to see" granule of a thing that you had no part in designing. Zero privacy. It is amazingly de-motivating.</div>
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2478                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~HornWumpus">HornWumpus</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~HornWumpus">( 783565 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2483                 <div id="comment_body_57266276"><p>
2484 Microsoft owns javascript? You have things backwards.</p></div>
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2509                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">gweihir</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">( 88907 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2514                 <div id="comment_body_57267186"><p>I was thinking the same thing. Although JavaScript, Java, and the surrounding ecosystems could have come from MS, no doubt.</p></div>
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2550                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span>Anonymous Coward</span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2552                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:08PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266262">#57266262</a>)
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2558                 <div id="comment_body_57266262"><p>If they considered developers more important than money, they'd pay the developers more to keep the skilled ones. Every time a developer leaves a company, a hunk of business knowledge walks out the door with him.</p><p>Companies care about that quarter's finance report, and the C-level execs care only about fleecing the company for all they can stuff into their own pockets.  Look at what they do, not what some survey says.</p></div>
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2601                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span>Anonymous Coward</span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2606                 <div id="comment_body_57266624"><p>LOL. You've massively understated the ageism and the issue of job qualifications.</p><p>First, the ageism problem is associated also with a problem that people aren't allowed to take breaks. After having great success even to the point of being a chief architect on an 80-man program, I quit working for a while and now can't find anyone who will let me start at the bottom.</p><p>But, the job qualification thing is really ridiculous. A good software engineer is a specialist at picking up new domains, languages, frameworks,<span class="substr"> </span></p></div>
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2625                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266732" name="comment_link_57266732" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266732" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266732)" >Re:</a>
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2631                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Anonymous+Brave+Guy">Anonymous Brave Guy</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Anonymous+Brave+Guy">( 457657 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2636                 <div id="comment_body_57266732"><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't know where you live, but in most places I think developers are paid fairly well. We offer straight-out-of-school newbies $80-$90k, and still some turn us down for better offers.</p></div><p>Most places are not the Bay Area or a few big US cities. In most of the world, new starter salaries in software development are rarely more than 1/3 of that level, and in many places they are much lower.</p></div>
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2661                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">Ocker3</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">( 1232550 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2666                 <div id="comment_body_57266856">Your post is probably at zero rep because it was posted AC, but you make good points.</div>
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2724                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Klaxton">Klaxton</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Klaxton">( 609696 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2729                 <div id="comment_body_57267040">Software developers generally have to do what they are told, and work on whatever the boss thinks is important. You don't get to decide  whether  it is going to bring in money or not.</div>
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2748                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266278" name="comment_link_57266278" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266278" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266278)" >Yeah haven't heard that one before</a>
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2754                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Crashmarik">Crashmarik</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Crashmarik">( 635988 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2759                 <div id="comment_body_57266278"><p>Maybe it just sounds too much like 40 years of businesses claiming there was a shortage of engineers in the U.S. when what they meant was there was a shortage of engineers that could be treated really badly.</p><p>Or maybe it's the fact that companies only seem to be willing to hire H1Bs that will do anything not to go back to their shitholes, or young kids who are stupid enough to believe managements promises and have no family or social life to distract from putting in 80+ hour weeks ?</p></div>
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2778                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266294" name="comment_link_57266294" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266294" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266294)" >Re:</a>
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2784                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~zlives">zlives</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~zlives">( 2009072 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2789                 <div id="comment_body_57266294"><p>you misread, and i quote<br>"developer talent is a threat to the success of their business" thus the hiring of no talent, spot filling h1b. and if they accidentally get a talented h1b... replace and repeat.</p></div>
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2807                 <div class="title">
2808                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266284" name="comment_link_57266284" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266284" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266284)" >FTFY</a>
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2814                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~thevirtualcat">thevirtualcat</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~thevirtualcat">( 1071504 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
2815                         <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_57266284">
2816                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:10PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266284">#57266284</a>)
2817                 <small> </small>
2818 </span>
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2821         <div class="commentBody">
2822                 <div id="comment_body_57266284"><p>Software Developers Who Are Willing To Work For Uncompetitive Wages And No Benefits Are Now More Valuable To Companies Than Money, Says Survey</p></div>
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2848                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266454" name="comment_link_57266454" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266454" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266454)" >Re:</a>
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2854                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Seven+Spirals">Seven Spirals</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Seven+Spirals">( 4924941 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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2857         </div>
2858         <div class="commentBody">
2859                 <div id="comment_body_57266454">Fucking-A right. Period.</div>
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2895 </li><li id="hidestring_57266296"><noscript><b class='more'><span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;threshold=-1&amp;commentsort=0&amp;mode=thread&amp;pid=57266296">1 reply</a> beneath your current threshold.</b></noscript></li></ul></li><li id="tree_57266302" class="comment full contain"><span class="ind"></span>
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2897 <div id="comment_57266302" class="cw">
2898         <div id="comment_top_57266302" class="commentTop newcomment">
2899                 <div class="title">
2900                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266302" name="comment_link_57266302" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266302" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266302)" >.ORG</a>
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2906                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~fluffernutter">fluffernutter</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~fluffernutter">( 1411889 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
2907                         <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_57266302">
2908                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:15PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266302">#57266302</a>)
2909                 <small> </small>
2910 </span>
2911                 </div>
2912         </div>
2913         <div class="commentBody">
2914                 <div id="comment_body_57266302">This just tells me that developers need to get organized and start saying no to 80+ work weeks collectively.  Otherwise it will be divided they fall, forever.</div>
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2938         <div id="comment_top_57266864" class="commentTop newcomment">
2939                 <div class="title">
2940                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266864" name="comment_link_57266864" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266864" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266864)" >Re:</a>
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2945                 <div class="details">
2946                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">Ocker3</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">( 1232550 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
2947                         <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_57266864"></span>
2948                 </div>
2949         </div>
2950         <div class="commentBody">
2951                 <div id="comment_body_57266864">How do we re-invent Unions without calling them Unions and avoid the very real baggage that the term has in the USA? Guilds?</div>
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3033 <div id="comment_57266342" class="cw">
3034         <div id="comment_top_57266342" class="commentTop newcomment">
3035                 <div class="title">
3036                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266342" name="comment_link_57266342" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266342" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266342)" >In other news...</a>
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3039                         <span id="comment_score_57266342" class="score"> (<a href="#" onclick="getModalPrefs('modcommentlog', 'Moderation Comment Log', 57266342); return false"><span class=opt>Score:</span>1</a>)</span></h4>
3040                 </div>
3041                 <div class="details">
3042                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~roboboxcomputer">Robobox Computer</a> <span class="socialbadge"><a class="g" href="#" title="From Google"></a></span> <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~roboboxcomputer">( 5357621 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3044                 </div>
3045         </div>
3046         <div class="commentBody">
3047                 <div id="comment_body_57266342">The sun rose today.</div>
3048         </div>
3049
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3053 </div>
3054
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3056
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3061 </li><li id="tree_57266412" class="comment oneline"><span class="ind"></span>
3062 <div id="comment_status_57266412" class="commentstatus"></div>
3063 <div id="comment_57266412" class="cw">
3064         <div id="comment_top_57266412" class="commentTop newcomment">
3065                 <div class="title">
3066                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266412" name="comment_link_57266412" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266412" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266412)" >Legacy systems are out of control</a>
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3069                         <span id="comment_score_57266412" class="score"> (<a href="#" onclick="getModalPrefs('modcommentlog', 'Moderation Comment Log', 57266412); return false"><span class=opt>Score:</span>2</a>)</span></h4>
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3072                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~xack">xack</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~xack">( 5304745 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
3073                         <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_57266412"></span>
3074                 </div>
3075         </div>
3076         <div class="commentBody">
3077                 <div id="comment_body_57266412">Microsoft has just announced paid extended support for Windows 7 as too many companies are using it. There&rsquo;s a lot of server 2003 systems out there too, with companies rather risking security exploits than upgrade.</div>
3078         </div>
3079
3080         <div class="commentSub" id="comment_sub_57266412">
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3083 </div>
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3104 <div id="comment_57266876" class="cw">
3105         <div id="comment_top_57266876" class="commentTop newcomment">
3106                 <div class="title">
3107                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266876" name="comment_link_57266876" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266876" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266876)" >Re:</a>
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3113                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">Ocker3</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ocker3">( 1232550 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3115                 </div>
3116         </div>
3117         <div class="commentBody">
3118                 <div id="comment_body_57266876">A pity that new features aren't separated from security patches to allow users to keep their old platform secure without feature changes.</div>
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3143                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~xvan">xvan</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~xvan">( 2935999 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3148                 <div id="comment_body_57267582"><p><div class="quote"><p> Newer file browsers no longer let you edit the file path, you have to click on everything to get somewhere</p></div><p> <tt>Ctrl+L</tt>, no, you don't need to thank me.</p></div>
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3167                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266726" name="comment_link_57266726" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266726" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266726)" >Re:</a>
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3173                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span>Anonymous Coward</span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3178                 <div id="comment_body_57266726"><p>So I'm supposed to upgrade the single Windows 2003 system I have, running as a non-networked VM, hosting a proprietary application on a system we need to lookup legacy data that never changes so I can pay to upgrade to a modern system, figure out a way to migrate the data from one proprietary application to a new and different system just so I can have support I don't need on a system that can't realistically be exploited in the first place?</p><p>OR I'm supposed to pay a premium for extended support on the curren<span class="substr"> </span></p></div>
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3203                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">gweihir</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~gweihir">( 88907 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3208                 <div id="comment_body_57267192"><p>That is a different problem. Their new offerings are just really bad. Also, nobody sane used MS crap on server-side.</p></div>
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3269         <div id="comment_top_57266518" class="commentTop newcomment">
3270                 <div class="title">
3271                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266518" name="comment_link_57266518" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266518" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266518)" >Yet us 50+ folks are unemployed</a>
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3277                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Snotnose">Snotnose</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Snotnose">( 212196 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
3278                         <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_57266518">
3279                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @07:05PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266518">#57266518</a>)
3280                 <small> </small>
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3284         <div class="commentBody">
3285                 <div id="comment_body_57266518">Forget how long I've been out of work, it's been 2-3 years now since I quit looking.</div>
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3311                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266630" name="comment_link_57266630" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266630" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266630)" >Re:</a>
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3317                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Locke2005">Locke2005</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Locke2005">( 849178 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3322                 <div id="comment_body_57266630">I'm 57 and got at least 3 calls TODAY offering to submit me for contract software positions. Granted, a lot of recruiters try to low-ball me on the hourly rate, but they change their tune as soon as you call their bluff and tell them you're not interested at that low rate.</div>
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3347                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span>Anonymous Coward</span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3352                 <div id="comment_body_57266708"><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm 57 and got at least 3 calls TODAY offering to submit me for contract software positions. Granted, a lot of recruiters try to low-ball me on the hourly rate, but they change their tune as soon as you call their bluff and tell them you're not interested at that low rate.</p></div><p>I get recruiters wanting to submit me all the time.  Then after a week, I follow up and the "the position is closed."  I think recruiters are assholes who got fired from see car lots for ethics violations.</p><p>So, when you get a real job with health insurance, you'll be an outlier.</p><p>Of course, that's assumimg you're not full of shit.</p></div>
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3377                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Locke2005">Locke2005</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Locke2005">( 849178 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3382                 <div id="comment_body_57266846">I agree; I regard recruiters as people that weren't ethical enough to get jobs as used car salesmen. I interviewed for a job once, didn't get any response, so I started another position. A month after the initial interview, the recruiter for the first position offered me $1500 cash in a plain, unmarked envelope to quit the job I'd just started and take the other position instead! (Apparently the cash came out of his commission.) So yes, recruiters know nothing, rely almost entirely on keyword searching in r</div>
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3411                 <div class="title">
3412                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266574" name="comment_link_57266574" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266574" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266574)" >So, the old adage?</a>
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3418                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~fahrbot-bot">fahrbot-bot</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~fahrbot-bot">( 874524 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3424 Employees are our most valuable asset?  I'm pretty sure it's actually still money.</p></div>
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3453                 <div class="title">
3454                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266634" name="comment_link_57266634" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266634" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266634)" >Nonsensical headline...</a>
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3460                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~JoeDuncan">JoeDuncan</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~JoeDuncan">( 874519 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3465                 <div id="comment_body_57266634"><p>It's like saying "gold is worth more than money!" - totally meaningless.</p><p>One (gold, developers) is a commodity that IS exchanged, the other (money) is the medium OF exchange.</p><p>Saying that "commodity X" is worth more than "exchange medium Y" makes no sense because a commodity CANNOT be worth "more" or "less" than the medium of exchange used - it can only ever be worth a specified amount of Y.</p></div>
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3481 <div id="comment_57266718" class="cw">
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3483                 <div class="title">
3484                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266718" name="comment_link_57266718" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266718" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266718)" >Talk about not understanding an article / Poll</a>
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3490                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Harlequin80">Harlequin80</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Harlequin80">( 1671040 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3495                 <div id="comment_body_57266718"><p>No where does it say that companies think developers are more important than money.</p><p>The results state that the companies perceive the risk of not being able to find skills as higher than the risks of not being able to access capital.</p><p>This is especially true if you're a cash rich organisation.</p><p>In the current financial climate finding returns on your investments is hard.  Interest rates are at historically low levels, bond returns are zero, and so that leaves higher risk investments to get returns.  That effecti<span class="substr"> </span></p></div>
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3523         <div id="comment_top_57266752" class="commentTop newcomment">
3524                 <div class="title">
3525                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266752" name="comment_link_57266752" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266752" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266752)" >lots of employees are "worth more than money"...</a>
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3531                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~bkmoore">bkmoore</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~bkmoore">( 1910118 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3536                 <div id="comment_body_57266752">What management school fails to teach young inexperienced executives: If the company's future existence depends on whether or not an employee does the job correctly or not, they are "worth more than money".</div>
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3554                 <div class="title">
3555                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266780" name="comment_link_57266780" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266780" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266780)" >Tech debt is a business decision</a>
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3561                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~swm">swm</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~swm">( 171547 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3566                 <div id="comment_body_57266780"><p>Incurring technical debt is a business decision.<br>And it may well be the right decision.<br>For example, in a startup, time to market typically trumps software quality.<br>And there are a lot of startups in the software field...</p></div>
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3583         <div id="comment_top_57266842" class="commentTop newcomment">
3584                 <div class="title">
3585                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57266842" name="comment_link_57266842" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57266842" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57266842)" >Not at my compamy</a>
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3591                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~dccase">dccase</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~dccase">( 56453 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3596                 <div id="comment_body_57266842"><p>Not at my company, and certainly not at any other publicly-traded company.<br>Maybe at some privately-held company until it gets bought out.</p></div>
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3625                 <div class="title">
3626                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57267004" name="comment_link_57267004" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57267004" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57267004)" >Employees are our Most Valuable Asset</a>
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3632                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~R3d+M3rcury">R3d M3rcury</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~R3d+M3rcury">( 871886 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
3633                         <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_57267004">
3634                 on Thursday September 06, 2018 @09:16PM (<span class="ind"></span><a href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57267004">#57267004</a>)
3635                 <small><a href="//slashdot.org/~R3d+M3rcury/journal/" title="Friday May 04, 2007 @09:30PM" class="user_journal_display">Journal</a> </small>
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3639         <div class="commentBody">
3640                 <div id="comment_body_57267004"><p>Right behind <a href="http://dilbert.com/strip/1993-03-03" title="dilbert.com">carbon paper.</a> [dilbert.com]</p></div>
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3687                 <div class="title">
3688                         <h4><a id="comment_link_57267180" name="comment_link_57267180" href="//developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12580466&amp;cid=57267180" onclick="return D2.setFocusComment(57267180)" >And this is why we keep them chained to</a>
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3694                         <span class="by"><span class="byby">by </span><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ranger">Ranger</a>  <span class="uid"><a href="//slashdot.org/~Ranger">( 1783 )</a></span></a></span><span class="writes" style="display:none"> writes:</span>
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3699                 <div id="comment_body_57267180">a cubicle.</div>
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